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2021-2022 ROSTER TALK: [ARCHIVED]
(02-14-2022, 11:25 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Yes replacements, I think Bertans adds more value than Maxi and I think that Dinwiddie is a more efficient player than Hardaway. Dinwiddie does not shoot it at a high clip but he adds offense in a different way. You do not have to replace Maxi and THJ with guys that do the exact same thing, you just have to replace their salary. You can find another shooter and a defensive forward to replace that hole left by Maxi but its hard to find elite shooting at the stretch 4 position. 

As for the trade KP for expiring contracts, I am still trying to understand who we target. The KP money would likely get ate up by Brunson so you would be left with an even smaller pie which is why I said it does not make any sense to trade KP for expiring contracts. That is the Donnie Nelson approach to roster building. 

Can you answer the question on who the likely target would be if did trade KP for expiring contracts? I assume you would let JB walk as well to capitalize off of the KP money right?

You do realize Bertrans is considered to be on one of the worst contracts in the NBA, right?  He is a stretch 4 that can't play defense, rebound, pass, dribble, or do anything but shoot.  That is not worth 16 mil.  That contract is terrible when he signed it, and has gotten even worse.  He is literally getting regular DNP on a bad team.  I have no idea why you think that would be worth more than Maxi, especially when you look their contracts.

Its easy to replace Maxi?  How many defensive forwards can protect the rim, guard the perimeter and shoot better than league average?  How are we acquiring this replacement?  With what?  We have no cap or assets.

Don't understand the comment that Dinwiddie is more efficient than THJ?  He an historically inefficient scorer.  The fact that he can distribute is valuable, but does not really have anything to do with efficiency.  The real issue with Din (other than his recent poor play and scary injury history) is that now we have 3 guys who all play better with the ball in their hands.  I don't think that is going to end well.  My greatest fear is that it will end Brunson being made less effective and less like to want to stay.

I think you are totally missing the argument here.  I had no real interest in selling KP for expirings.  Especially now when it does not generate much cap space.  The whole point of my argument is those contracts we got were so bad (especially Bertans), expirings would be preferable.  Simply because we would not be stuck with two bad/poor fitting players that we can't get rid of, in Bertans case for years.

Why in the world would I want Brunson to walk.  We have lowered the talent level on this team significantly with this trade, letting Brunson walk would be the final nail.  One of the many reasons I hate this trade is I think Dinwiddie makes it less likely Brunson stays.

(02-15-2022, 12:12 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Here is my (I think) final thought on this and after that it is probably best to agree to disagree. This isn't a perfect analogy but my hope is it presents why I think Donnie bears more or at least equal blame in this:

If I go to a local Taco Bell restaurant and there is chaos in that restaurant I believe the most culpable person is the on-site manager who is in charge of the day to day operations, I do not blame the corporate CEO for the dysfunction at a single chain restaurant. However, if the CEO is aware over time of this dysfunction and does not fix it, then the CEO begins to be as culpable as the manager. 

The day to day operations of the Mavs failed under Donnie (especially in recent years). He was the "on-site manager." Cuban (as the CEO) should have stepped in sooner to fix the dysfunction (that is the fault he bears). But at the end of the day, the manager bears most of the blame IMO. Now that the CEO has stepped in and removed the manager, there should be some concern about whether he would let it happen again. But because of Cuban's fierce love of the Mavs and of winning, I do not think he will make this same mistake twice.  

I can get behind someone saying Cuban and Donnie bear equal blame (though I personally would put a little more on Donnie). But to suggest Cuban is THE singular one to blame is not something I can get behind based on what I know of the situation.


Regardless, I am watching things closely in the Mavs management department and hoping Cuban has learned his lesson.

Honestly on the early returns of this TDL and the offseason, I think I am starting to miss Donnie.
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2021-2022 ROSTER TALK: [ARCHIVED] - by Kammrath - 07-21-2021, 10:12 AM
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