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(Yesterday, 09:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: 5. It feels like Schmitz's old team has too many PG's and he new team doesn't have enough.
Cool. My hopeful question would be whether there are enough to where the Raps would want to spare a decent one. But looking at TOR for a swap of some sort makes sense from 2 angles - 1 M used to work there and should know where there's hidden value, and 2 TOR is active in trades - potentially with a huge one that changes them considerably - which might shake loose a player (for fit, roster size,or money reasons) that could be useful
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(Yesterday, 09:31 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Won't be surprised if the Mavs' target is Giddey.
Chicago has 3 PGs, probably 5 even if you count the other guards who can do spot duties.
They have Claxton at C, so if Gafford is one of the tradables, he'd be shipped to another team.
They have Smith and Okoro as throw-ins to expand the trade.
So do the Mavs with Caleb.
Klay can be a possibility for an expanded trade to a third team.
But this is much simpler:
Though I wouldn't really want to give-up Max, Giddey for Max+fillers work.
Can you get them to toss Wilson into the mix somehow? Inquiring minds want to know!
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(Yesterday, 09:52 PM)Luka77 Wrote: Any chance the Mavs are trying to build a trade around PJ plus other parts for Wallace? What would that trade even look like? Also, what would you guys be willing to give Wallace on a new deal?
Caruso+Wallace for PJ saves them $7.2M. But probably cost several FRP’s.
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(Yesterday, 10:04 PM)Smitty Wrote: Caruso+Wallace for PJ saves them $7.2M. But probably cost several FRP’s.
...and his people start asking for an extension 20 minutes after his "welcome to Dallas" press conference.
Not necessarily a deal breaker, because you don't have to cave and you probably don't make the deal unless you're hopeful you'll want to extend him, but it needs to be considered. The time from 0 to "serious commitment" wouldn't exactly be leisurely.
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(Yesterday, 10:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: ...and his people start asking for an extension 20 minutes after his "welcome to Dallas" press conference.
Not necessarily a deal breaker, because you don't have to cave and you probably don't make the deal unless you're hopeful you'll want to extend him, but it needs to be considered. The time from 0 to "serious commitment" wouldn't exactly be leisurely.
I'am sure any trade for Wallace would include a contract extension. I wonder what type of contract he is seeking. Would the Mavs be willing to give him 30 million/year when he hasn't proven he can run his own team?
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(Yesterday, 10:04 PM)Smitty Wrote: Caruso+Wallace for PJ saves them $7.2M. But probably cost several FRP’s.
Given the three years he has left vs. Dort's one year, Caruso + Wallace makes more sense than Dort + Wallace from the OKC standpoint. As has been pointed out, they have 16 guys, so a 2 for 1 makes sense as does PJ positionally.
To me, Wallace has always been the dream. Some don't think it possible, while FG doesn't want to be hung with what he wants for an extension. I love the youth movement of Wallace, Christie, Flagg, Morez and Lively. Wallace in an expanded role is going to be better than people realize. LAL 2029 plus the GSW fake first?
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Given the three years he has left vs. Dort's one year, Caruso + Wallace makes more sense than Dort + Wallace from the OKC standpoint. As has been pointed out, they have 16 guys, so a 2 for 1 makes sense as does PJ positionally.
To me, Wallace has always been the dream. Some don't think it possible, while FG doesn't want to be hung with what he wants for an extension. I love the youth movement of Wallace, Christie, Flagg, Morez and Lively. Wallace in an expanded role is going to be better than people realize. LAL 2029 plus the GSW fake first?
I think most of us would agree it's close to the top of the "sexy options" list. It's hard to tell whether OKC will even end up moving him, is my thing.
Those Portland guys seem more gettable to me, but I'm into any of it, for the record.
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)Luka77 Wrote: I'am sure any trade for Wallace would include a contract extension. I wonder what type of contract he is seeking. Would the Mavs be willing to give him 30 million/year when he hasn't proven he can run his own team?
Those are great questions, and unfortunately we won't know...until we know.
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Given the three years he has left vs. Dort's one year, Caruso + Wallace makes more sense than Dort + Wallace from the OKC standpoint. As has been pointed out, they have 16 guys, so a 2 for 1 makes sense as does PJ positionally.
To me, Wallace has always been the dream. Some don't think it possible, while FG doesn't want to be hung with what he wants for an extension. I love the youth movement of Wallace, Christie, Flagg, Morez and Lively. Wallace in an expanded role is going to be better than people realize. LAL 2029 plus the GSW fake first?
You don’t trade for Wallace unless you’re giving him the max extension IMO. Can’t give up picks, then turn around a play hardball. You identified “your guy”. Spent future assets to acquire him. The money is a given. I think the hang up in that deal is actually Caruso. I added him instead of Dort, because of the financial picture there, getting them below A2, but Caruso is a major factor in what they’re able to do in the playoffs. If you’re asking if I would do the hypothetical with those two picks, yes. As much as I value what PJ brings to this team with a competent roster, those two guys more than make up for it. I’m a big fan of Wallace. I think he has a ton of upside.
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Given the three years he has left vs. Dort's one year, Caruso + Wallace makes more sense than Dort + Wallace from the OKC standpoint. As has been pointed out, they have 16 guys, so a 2 for 1 makes sense as does PJ positionally.
To me, Wallace has always been the dream. Some don't think it possible, while FG doesn't want to be hung with what he wants for an extension. I love the youth movement of Wallace, Christie, Flagg, Morez and Lively. Wallace in an expanded role is going to be better than people realize. LAL 2029 plus the GSW fake first?
That would be my limit. Would be really surprised if OKC does that.
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OKC may have to decide between Wallace and Mitchell eventually, but they don't need to do it right now. I think this season will give Presti the info he needs to pick a direction.
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Given the three years he has left vs. Dort's one year, Caruso + Wallace makes more sense than Dort + Wallace from the OKC standpoint. As has been pointed out, they have 16 guys, so a 2 for 1 makes sense as does PJ positionally.
To me, Wallace has always been the dream. Some don't think it possible, while FG doesn't want to be hung with what he wants for an extension. I love the youth movement of Wallace, Christie, Flagg, Morez and Lively. Wallace in an expanded role is going to be better than people realize. LAL 2029 plus the GSW fake first?
My thoughts about Wallace and an extension were merely cautionary. At the right salary extension price, I am not opposed at all. I would think that an extension price could be negotiated (or be determined to be a deal killer) prior to an actual trade. It's also worth keeping in mind that the bigger that number, the less OKC can fit him in going forward, so that probably works to the Mavs advantage. The only question is what's the sweet spot salary-wise, where OKC is gagging but the Mavs can live with it?
FWIW, because of the TPE, a Wallace-for-picks exchange by itself gets OKC under A2 and also is cap-legal. It's possible OKC would want to keep the remainder of their crew intact. Everything beyond that is just details (although important ones, of course).
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The trade that makes sense with POR is Naji for Scoot. Naji isn’t a fit here. Scoot is behind ~4 other guards, extension eligible, and an agent that wants him out of there? This saves the cheap owner $4.2M this year and they can flip Naji’s expiring contract again at the TDL for another pick.
POR: Naji Marshall + FRP (GSW)
DAL: Scoot Henderson
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(Yesterday, 10:59 PM)Smitty Wrote: The trade that makes sense with POR is Naji for Scoot. Naji isn’t a fit here. Scoot is behind ~4 other guards, extension eligible, and an agent that wants him out of there? This saves the cheap owner $4.2M this year and they can flip Naji’s expiring contract again at the TDL for another pick.
POR: Naji Marshall + FRP (GSW)
DAL: Scoot Henderson
I would pull that trigger. Wingspan checks out.
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(Yesterday, 10:59 PM)Smitty Wrote: Naji isn’t a fit here.
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In terms of what’s been floated as possibilities, ranked best to not so good:
1) Wallace
2) Henderson (because of the potential reclamation, if both Masai and Mike see the vision)
3) Monk
4) Grimes
5) FVV
6) Sharpe
7) Sexton
Not so much into Kuminga, since he’s not a guard. No Kawhi because of the locker room and cost. No Brown for much the same reasons, although far more likely to be healthy (both of those “options” really screw Cooper). The one I really don’t get is Dort. “Oh, we need guards for creation - I know, let’s get the D (as in dirty-as-hell) and not much 3 guy.”
Caruso would be right below Wallace, but I really don’t think he’s available.
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Wallace’s over valued because he is on the OK squad. He is not worth multiple firsts, that’s silly.
The Thunder are over the second apron. I’ve posted that perhaps their owner in a competitive fever dream has decided to pay a fortune to try and win a title next year and still believe that’s possibly true. But if it’s not true then they need to get rid of Wallace and have zero leverage. Since he is an unproven commodity, I’d wait them out to the very last minute before the tax kicks in. Then they might blink.
Personally I’m looking forward to the bloodbath that kicks in in 2027 when SGA pay raise occurs. Maxing out Chet might ultimately end Presti’s career and I’m all here for it.
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(11 hours ago)Scott41theMavs Wrote: In terms of what’s been floated as possibilities, ranked best to not so good:
1) Wallace
2) Henderson (because of the potential reclamation, if both Masai and Mike see the vision)
3) Monk
4) Grimes
5) FVV
6) Sharpe
7) Sexton
Not so much into Kuminga, since he’s not a guard. No Kawhi because of the locker room and cost. No Brown for much the same reasons, although far more likely to be healthy (both of those “options” really screw Cooper). The one I really don’t get is Dort. “Oh, we need guards for creation - I know, let’s get the D (as in dirty-as-hell) and not much 3 guy.”
Caruso would be right below Wallace, but I really don’t think he’s available.
Wallace is an unproven extra part on a team that didn’t even make the finals.
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(Yesterday, 10:14 PM)Luka77 Wrote: I'am sure any trade for Wallace would include a contract extension. I wonder what type of contract he is seeking. Would the Mavs be willing to give him 30 million/year when he hasn't proven he can run his own team?
That would be horrific.
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Did anyone listen to Mays presser today?
The entire theme was “WE ARE GOING TO FIND HOW EVERY PLAYERS’ ABILITIES CAN BE MAXIMIZED AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE WHOLE GREATER THAN THOSE MAXIMIZED PARTS WHILE BEING ENTERTAINING AND LISTENING TO OUR PLAYERS’ OPINIONS AND INPUT AS LONG AS THEY SIGN UP FOR OUR ALL FOR ONE ONE FOR ALL CULTURE”
In other words, Dusty is going to coach circles around this forum and most of you will over value our players like you do Oklahoma’s once this next season is through.
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