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[cow]

I'm still trying to figure out what "watching gas grow" means.

Once you see it, everything will make sense and nothing will ever be the same again.

[mvossman]

OK. This isn't to you but everyone who reponds to Windjc...

I cherish my "ignores." But I do from time-to-time peek under the hood just to see if something has changed in Windjc's posting (it hasn't). Lately though, someone will reply to him and, by default, forces his silly comment onto the page anyway. Which makes my ignore rather useless in the end.

I ask for a collaborative member-effort to not reply. 

Help a fellow out. Our time is valuable, and Wind is hot, useless air.

I agree with this sentiment, but I think its reasonable for everyone to get their one comment in before ignoring.  I feel like it might encourage the powers that be to pull the ban hammer trigger a little sooner than otherwise.

[RGP1981]

Or maybe Mavs fans need to stop acting like a bunch of babies and get over it. Just watch basketball or don’t, but don’t just hang around acting like someone owes you something. 

Sports is entertainment. If you don’t like the show go watch a movie or a TV series or gas grow. Better yet, learn to meditate and be quiet with yourself. Then the need to have someone owe you something will dissipate.

Just like the guy yelling all billionaires are evil. Says a lot more about how he feels about himself than about how he feels about billionaures.

Hi @Winter! How you doing? The weather treating you all right?

Sorry, I couldn't resist, hehe.

[RGP1981]

Flagg's game is a bit less sexy, but the fan base has NEVER had a true number one pick, and one strangely hyped as the best player a year in advance of him being drafted. Even Luka wasn't fan-worshipped until the end of his 1st year. So Flagg is a big deal for the franchise. Bigger than Luka in some ways because of the badly needed rebound effect after the trade. 

However, I would not disagree with you about team value. I'm not sure how they weigh such things, but I think we have to account for the fact we lost a strong European fan base when Luka was traded. We didn't pick that back up with Flagg. That's a pretty straightforward loss.

Another reason for the Mavs to go after Matas Buzelis, apart from his fit with Flagg at the two Forward spots.

[DallasMaverick]

Another reason for the Mavs to go after Matas Buzelis, apart from his fit with Flagg at the two Forward spots.

Sure!

Maybe the Bulls would entertain a trade for Flagg.

[Jmaciscool]

I'm still trying to figure out what "watching gas grow" means.

I think I've experienced this before when eating Chipotle.

[Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo]

Another reason for the Mavs to go after Matas Buzelis, apart from his fit with Flagg at the two Forward spots.

Mavs can have a tall SF-PF type if they want, and I hope they will. 
Nate Ament may not have the athleticism of Flagg or Buzelis, but the kid can handle the ball, create off the dribble, shoot the 3 and is a willing passer.

Hard to match up with the Mavs if they have two 6'9" dudes who handles the ball like guards (add Naji in that mix and there's 3 ball handlers excluding the PG)
Mavs can trade for their PG, or simply get one at pick 29, or maybe trade down and get 2 picks in the first and get both Ament and a PG.

[Reunion Mav]

1 I agree with your broad take about gambling in Texas in general. 

2 But respectfully, I think you whiffed completely on the Adelson/Dumont thinking. I believe they saw the Mavs as a way to get the camel's nose under the edge of the tent re casinos, so to speak, and that the potential real estate development tie with the Mavs would be the angle they need. It's not ONLY about a casino in Dallas, but also about a MASSIVE real estate grab of high end land via eminent domain to create a massive entertainment district that they would own and control. But it's not just one or the other, but BOTH.

The planned Town Lake (or whatever the name will be) has imo been a major part of the picture, a glittering jewel to drive tourism and bring people vacationing with lots of cash to spend, with a casino (or three) to offer the bells and whistles to motivate people to leave all their cash there. Hotels. Restaurants. Think of the Riverwalk but with a different configuration. Without the casinos and without the Mavs, it's been "in the works" for about 50 years. It is NEVER mentioned, but imo is at the core of everything the Adelsons want. One day (although it may be another 50 years, who can say) it will happen, bam it will start moving, and then it will be a massive hot spot. 

With the Mavs and an arena, you get eminent domain - like Jerry World, you pick the footprint and then the city/county confiscates the land from the owner who wouldn't otherwise sell it. It has to be bought, of course, but no one can really hold out. AAC is right on the edge of that footprint already, so you have a reasonable ask to shoot for THAT land closer to the water (and everything around it). FWIW it looks to me like Cuban already saw that potential, has moved his things bit by bit in that direction, and perhaps saw a casino group as the way to make those dominoes fall, so to speak.

Adelsons imo have banked on the synergy of "Mavs arena" and "casinos you don't have yet and would really want" as their way to get it done. But they MAY have bit off more than they can chew. 

If you have been keeping up, there's a current push to move the new arena site to the current city hall which is AWAY FROM the water and thus no way to grab that land. Is that what Adelson expected, wanted, and would want to pursue? It might not even be close. Combine that with the state's refusal to budge on casinos and they may have decided they are spending their efforts in the wrong place. Just a thought.

Two interesting takes. I’m trying to get my head around this so, thanks!

[Chicagojk]

So Dumpnt who has been to like 3 home games this season, shows up in PHx for a road game….

[Chicagojk]

Also, does Dumont even have final say?   Isn't that the Old lady?   I mean Dumont has gone to like 3 home game this year.   Isn't he taking leadership of the Sands Corporation soon?  That is where they get most of their revenue.   I could see Addelson losing interest in basketball, especially if there is no gambling deal coming soon.  I mean she is 80 years old.   I have been worried that her younger son would eventually get the ownership role.   

Maybe Mirian is not interested in a fledgling basketball team, and Dumont despite his lack of interest going to games is trying to keep the team?   The decision may not be his.

[KillerLeft]

Stein with more reporting about this bid...sorry, maybe I'm dumb, but I think this is basically stating (in careful reporter speak) that the idea is coming from outsiders wanting to buy, and NOT from the Adelsons wanting to sell. Doesn't mean it won't happen, of course. 

https://youtu.be/cRdS-EthRfg?si=cFZ9OWvn8_SRoQyf

[Winter]

Stein with more reporting about this bid...sorry, maybe I'm dumb, but I think this is basically stating (in careful reporter speak) that the idea is coming from outsiders wanting to buy, and NOT from the Adelsons wanting to sell. Doesn't mean it won't happen, of course. 

https://youtu.be/cRdS-EthRfg?si=cFZ9OWvn8_SRoQyf

I haven't listened yet, but if you're Dumont, you just state publically that you're not selling the team. Until I hear that from one party, I have to assume that there is a negotiation ongoing.

[KillerLeft]

I haven't listened yet, but if you're Dumont, you just state publically that you're not selling the team. Until I hear that from one party, I have to assume that there is a negotiation ongoing.

You should listen. Stein is careful to say the Adelson's position "remains unclear," but he pretty overtly states this is an attempt to see if they'd be open to bids. It's coming from the outside, not from the inside.

There is some discussion later in the clip about how the Adelsons have the right to buy Cuban down to 7% at any point during the first four years of the deal, so I'd say it's possible this could go in multiple directions at this point. Will they look at this as a way out, or as a sign they need to get deeper in? Not sure. What's becoming increasingly clear (I think) is that their partnership with Cuban isn't really working for anyone.

[KillerLeft]

I continue to wish we could just live in a world where all of this is settled and someone competent could just build a team around Cooper Flagg that was easy to enjoy following.

[mvossman]

I continue to wish we could just live in a world where all of this is settled and someone competent could just build a team around Cooper Flagg that was easy to enjoy following.

I mean this is the time for something like this to happen.  Its not like a GM can do a whole lot right now.  I just hope everything gets settled by the end of the season and whoever is making decisions is free to pull the trigger for next GM.

[KillerLeft]

I mean this is the time for something like this to happen.  Its not like a GM can do a whole lot right now.  I just hope everything gets settled by the end of the season and whoever is making decisions is free to pull the trigger for next GM.

I agree, as long as the last sentence happens. My instinct is that this situation will likely drag on for a while and make the last sentence LESS likely to happen, at least with the right person getting the job (or even wanting it), but yes, in the if/then sense of things I agree with your assessment.

[Winter]

The linked video does discuss the need for things to happen relatively soon one way or the other simply because of arena complications if nothing else.

That said, the owners can put a stop to this rumor any time they want. Right now, they seem to be listening.

[KillerLeft]

The linked video does discuss the need for things to happen relatively soon one way or the other simply because of arena complications if nothing else.

That said, the owners can put a stop to this rumor any time they want. Right now, they seem to be listening.

Or not immediately shutting it down, at least. 

What are your thoughts? Are we, the fans, better off with the Adelsons, or with Cuban? Would the identity of the other investors potentially change your opinion, do you think?

[Winter]

One of the guys in that video brought up something I was thinking. Why would Cuban go to all the trouble of getting investors together if he thought there was no chance to buy?

He must have some indicators that suggest they are unhappy owners or might prefer another city.... or something. If I was an investor, the first thing I would ask Cuban before calling in my assets is "They want to sell the team?" I have to think a lot of thought (and phone calls) goes into whether you want to be an investor and if it's worth it to start intense discussions on the subject without knowing if someone wants to sell.

[michaeltex]

Couple of questions/thoughts...

If gambling in TX is such a longshot and would require years of multi-million dollar investment (*campaign donations*) wouldn't it make sense for the Adelsons to cut their losses, recoup their investment and target getting the LV expansion rights? Or maybe Seattle, if Washington state is more open to gambling? (of which, I have no idea)

Who went to who? Did Cuban, possibly having some inside knowledge, go find an investment group or did they round up Cuban because he already owns part of the team? How much would they want to buy? 24% + Cuban = controlling interest but leaves Adelsons as the largest shareholder. This would leave operational headaches to Cuban and the investors but keep a Adelson interest in whatever arena expansion is envisioned for possible future exploitation. It took a long time to get a lottery started and alcohol sales have Or would Adelsons want to get all the way out to clear decks for something else?

TBH, it always felt weird to me that Cubes sold to a group with so little ties to Texas in general and DFW in specific.