MAVS NEWS:

[mvossman]

Yes, most of them are evil.  People that do not give a fuck about anyone else except their own wealth are evil by my definition. 

What you are describing is a typical American capitalist mindset.  (I dont even want to get into the historical reasons for why many Americans think this way.  The Cold War and all that)

Seems like a broad definition of evil.  So anybody with single minded purpose is evil.  Jordon clearly doesn't give a fuck about anything other than winning.  Is he evil?

[BigDirk41]

Luka is just a player. He doesn’t make a franchise inherently more valuable.

Is this a serious comment? Surely you know that's inaccurate.

[mvossman]

We're wandering dangerously close to the realm of "political talk." I worry that I might've opened the door for this a tad, so if it seems that way to those reading I apologize. Either way, I think we should keep it from going much further.

I will pull back.  I enjoy these kinds of conversations and can have them without getting overly emotional, but most can't and this isn't the place for it.

[KillerLeft]

Luka is just a player. He doesn’t make a franchise inherently more valuable.

This isn't true at all. Ticket sales (and prices) Jersey sales (and prices), local promotional tie ins, the draw of corporate suites, nationally televised games...the list goes on and on and on. The roster value and future payroll of a team is ABSOLUTELY factored into valuation. 

It's the NBA. The most significant differentiator between it and other pro leagues is that a team's entire outlook, including even their valuation, tends to change significantly based on ONE player.

[DallasMaverick]

We're wandering dangerously close to the realm of "political talk." I worry that I might've opened the door for this a tad, so if it seems that way to those reading I apologize. Either way, I think we should keep it from going much further.

Edited for substandard trolling that isn't up to the comedic standards of either the forum or poster in question. Sigh. - KL

[KillerLeft]

This isn't true at all. Ticket sales (and prices) Jersey sales (and prices), local promotional tie ins, the draw of corporate suites, nationally televised games...the list goes on and on and on. The roster value and future payroll of a team is ABSOLUTELY factored into valuation. 

It's the NBA. The most significant differentiator between it and other pro leagues is that a team's entire outlook, including even their valuation, tends to change significantly based on ONE player.

Just to double down on this, when Cleveland drafted LeBron James the entire ECONOMY OF CLEVELAND (and by extension, the state of OH) benefited, as well as the opposite happening when he left.

[mvossman]

What you are describing is a typical American capitalist mindset.  (I dont even want to get into the historical reasons for why many Americans think this way.  The Cold War and all that)

I am going to respond to this comment as it got added as I was replying and then I will leave this alone.

My comments are not about "typical American capitalist mindset".  My comment is about how I approach human beings in general.  I don't judge them based on some broad category without any other information.  We have examples of billionaires who are not evil, and I am sure there are plenty of examples of ones who are.  I have no real exposure to such folks and not nearly enough information to make blanket statements like yours.

[cow]

I had the exact same thought, both immediately after the trade and yesterday when I read this news. Because the Mavs now have Flagg and have likely already repaired some of the drop in franchise value trading Luka caused, I'm not sure we'll ever actually know the answer to this question.

At the very least, I think it's very safe to assume that it either halted or harmed the upward trajectory of the team's value.  Though, it wouldn't surprise if there were an actual dip due to all the fan unease that lingers to this day.  Lucking into Flagg certainly helps, but we are pretty far away from contention and Flagg's game is a bit less sexy than Luka's.

[Winter]

At the very least, I think it's very safe to assume that it either halted or harmed the upward trajectory of the team's value.  Though, it wouldn't surprise if there were an actual dip due to all the fan unease that lingers to this day.  Lucking into Flagg helps a bit, but we are pretty far away from contention and Flagg's game is a bit less sexy than Lukas.

Flagg's game is a bit less sexy, but the fan base has NEVER had a true number one pick, and one strangely hyped as the best player a year in advance of him being drafted. Even Luka wasn't fan-worshipped until the end of his 1st year. So Flagg is a big deal for the franchise. Bigger than Luka in some ways because of the badly needed rebound effect after the trade. 

However, I would not disagree with you about team value. I'm not sure how they weigh such things, but I think we have to account for the fact we lost a strong European fan base when Luka was traded. We didn't pick that back up with Flagg. That's a pretty straightforward loss.

[windjc]

The team is worth as much now with Flagg as it was with Luka. Players come and go. Franchises just go up in value no matter what. One of the best performing assets in last 20 years in the world.

Literally factual not ignorant fact.

If you think a franchise value is based on jersey sales you’re uninformed. It’s like real estate. It’s based on entire value of all NBA franchises with a factor of size and wealth of its particular city.

It will be sold for MORE than it was previously with Luka. Therefore, it is worth MORE without him. Literal fact.

[cow]

Flagg's game is a bit less sexy, but the fan base has NEVER had a true number one pick, and one strangely hyped as the best player a year in advance of him being drafted. Even Luka wasn't fan-worshipped until the end of his 1st year. So Flagg is a big deal for the franchise. Bigger than Luka in some ways because of the badly needed rebound effect after the trade. 

However, I would not disagree with you about team value. I'm not sure how they weigh such things, but I think we have to account for the fact we lost a strong European fan base when Luka was traded. We didn't pick that back up with Flagg. That's a pretty straightforward loss.

The timing is unfortunate for Flagg as he got put, undeservingly, in the middle of this mess.  He seems like a great kid.  And no shade towards Dirk or Luka, but it feel unimaginable to have a two-way star.  But the team is hard to watch and the wounds have the last year haven't healed.  There is a lot of trust that needs to be rebuilt.  And none of those things has anything to do with Cooper.

[windjc]

The timing is unfortunate for Flagg as he got put, undeservingly, in the middle of this mess.  He seems like a great kid.  And no shade towards Dirk or Luka, but it feel unimaginable to have a two-way star.  But the team is hard to watch and the wounds have the last year haven't healed.  There is a lot of trust that needs to be rebuilt.  And none of those things has anything to do with Cooper.

Or maybe Mavs fans need to stop acting like a bunch of babies and get over it. Just watch basketball or don’t, but don’t just hang around acting like someone owes you something. 

Sports is entertainment. If you don’t like the show go watch a movie or a TV series or gas grow. Better yet, learn to meditate and be quiet with yourself. Then the need to have someone owe you something will dissipate.

Just like the guy yelling all billionaires are evil. Says a lot more about how he feels about himself than about how he feels about billionaures.

[cow]

Or maybe Mavs fans need to stop acting like a bunch of babies and get over it. Just watch basketball or don’t, but don’t just hang around acting like someone owes you something. 

Sports is entertainment. If you don’t like the show go watch a movie or a TV series or gas grow. Better yet, learn to meditate and be quiet with yourself. Then the need to have someone owe you something will dissipate.

Just like the guy yelling all billionaires are evil. Says a lot more about how he feels about himself than about how he feels about billionaures.

Fandom is often irrational.  How you are a fan of something is as valid as anyone else's fandom.  There is no correct or incorrect.  Don't be that kid in high school who would say, "I liked Metallica before they were popular.  Gate keeping is drole.

[BigDirk41]

Or maybe Mavs fans need to stop acting like a bunch of babies and get over it. Just watch basketball or don’t, but don’t just hang around acting like someone owes you something. 

Sports is entertainment. If you don’t like the show go watch a movie or a TV series or gas grow. Better yet, learn to meditate and be quiet with yourself. Then the need to have someone owe you something will dissipate.

Just like the guy yelling all billionaires are evil. Says a lot more about how he feels about himself than about how he feels about billionaures.

I really hope you get banned soon. You are the most annoying poster on this forum and it's not even close. I will be blocking you as I'm sure most others are.

[cow]

Just to double down on this, when Cleveland drafted LeBron James the entire ECONOMY OF CLEVELAND (and by extension, the state of OH) benefited, as well as the opposite happening when he left.

Before 2009, GSW was in the bottom third of team valuations.

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Or maybe Mavs fans need to stop acting like a bunch of babies and get over it. Just watch basketball or don’t, but don’t just hang around acting like someone owes you something. 

Sports is entertainment. If you don’t like the show go watch a movie or a TV series or gas grow. Better yet, learn to meditate and be quiet with yourself. Then the need to have someone owe you something will dissipate.

Just like the guy yelling all billionaires are evil. Says a lot more about how he feels about himself than about how he feels about billionaures.

In my DECADES of time on message boards I rarely develop opinions on posters. When I do, it's been almost exclusively positive. In fact, I've never understood when people get to a point that they want to block someone, because, hey, it's just a message board. But, in a very short amount of time, my guy, you have taken me to a place where I understand that concept now.

[Winter]

In my DECADES of time on message boards I rarely develop opinions on posters. When I do, it's been almost exclusively positive. In fact, I've never understood when people get to a point that they want to block someone, because, hey, it's just a message board. But, in a very short amount of time, my guy, you have taken me to a place where I understand that concept now.

OK. This isn't to you but everyone who reponds to Windjc...

I cherish my "ignores." But I do from time-to-time peek under the hood just to see if something has changed in Windjc's posting (it hasn't). Lately though, someone will reply to him and, by default, forces his silly comment onto the page anyway. Which makes my ignore rather useless in the end.

I ask for a collaborative member-effort to not reply. 

Help a fellow out. Our time is valuable, and Wind is hot, useless air.

[Scott41theMavs]

I'm still trying to figure out what "watching gas grow" means.

[DallasMaverick]

I'm still trying to figure out what "watching gas grow" means.

In physics, gas volume is proportional to temperature, and inversely proportional to pressure.

I think he’s arguing for global warming.

[windjc]

So I say maybe we should not judge people due to their economic status and that we should strive to not act entitled or victimy, and for that I get the wrath of the masses?

Being kinder and more self aware kinda outta vogue I guess?

I know that the inevitable response is “dude you’re so mean to people on here how can you talk about maturity and wisdom.” Fair point. But some of my comments are to try to pattern interrupt. They aren’t suppose to be taken literally. Like when I say “ boy, lots of snowflakes on here”. That’s only to be taken about 60% literally