TRADE: Davis, Hardy, DLO, Exum to WAS | Middleton, filler, 2 FRPs, 3 SRPs to DAL

[michaeltex]

How long is it protected? Like if we don't get it in 2030 , do we get another try next year? Second round picks? Nothing?

Top 20 protected in 2030. If it does not convey, then it converts to a 2030 2nd round pick. 

So not ideal, but at least it's an asset for use in further deal making that DAL did not have before.

[Mavs2021]

2030 GSW SRP

Okay that is useless. At least the drop in 2nd round won´t be too far, since the Warriors will be a** in 2030, like bottom five a**.

[GermanMav]

The warriors might want that pick back badly for trade reasons at one point...

[omahen]

The warriors might want that pick back badly for trade reasons at one point...

No they don't, as it doesn't really block anything for them. They can trade 2026, 2028, 2030 (if it is top20) and 2032

[mvossman]

LOL. Even as an AD hater, these guys are idiots. Watch Washington trade him to Cleveland in the summer for a much bigger haul.

EDIT: Oh two first round picks. I read five 2nd round picks. Need to evaluate further.

The picks are disappointing, but its more about shedding over 70 mil in cap for next season (and generating a 20.8 TPE).  We will see what they do with that room in the offseason (or possibly later this TDL).

[michaeltex]

Wonder if we could take Kuminga and have GSW change the protection to top 5. (or top 3?) as compensation for helping with their problem.

[haveitall]

Bad trade because you are not getting any talent back. Dallas has no picks for next few years so there is no incentive to move Davis other than saving money. As much as people hate on Davis and his contract, he's only 1 year removed from being an all star, and they traded him for essentially for 5 2nds.

[cow]

Wonder if we could take Kuminga and have GSW change the protection to top 5. (or top 3?) as compensation for helping with their problem.

I had the same though earlier, but I think you'd be lucky to get it to move to top 10.

[michaeltex]

I had the same though earlier, but I think you'd be lucky to get it to move to top 10.

Maybe do business with OKC. They have more picks than they can swallow right now. Help them out by swapping 2026 vs a few years down the road?

[Kidnova]

Bad trade because you are not getting any talent back.  Dallas has no picks for next few years so there is no incentive to move Davis other than saving money.  As much as people hate on Davis and his contract, he's only 1 year removed from being an all star, and they traded him for essentially for 5 2nds.

Nobody was offering talent for AD.  People need to wrap their minds around this fact.  The salary flexibility they received is huge for being able to build around Flagg.

[SleepingHero]

Can't believe the Mavs actually pulled off an out of nowhere trade and one that I'm not that mad about.

Maybe it's just I was tired of the AD experience. Maybe it was what AD represented (through no fault of his own). He was an incredibly serviceable player, and in another universe I would've loved to have him as a 3rd option. But for now I'm happy he's gone.

Plus, the Mavs got off some real bad salary here. Hardy+DLo was essentially 12 mil of dead space next season. Exum is well... Exum. And they tacked those guys onto AD and still got back multiple picks. Sure the 2 FRPs aren't the highest of quality, but they are something. The 2nds are a bit more intriguing, especially that 2029 HOU one.

Now that the Mavs can almost essentially absorb a max contract in the summer, I wonder what guy is going to get shipped off next from another team looking for relief. There was a rumor earlier in the day that the Cavs were interested in AD and perhaps even floated Mobley. Could CLE revisit that come summer time if this core fails again and the Mavs could absorb Mobley and tack on a guy like Naji in the deal?

Just brainstorming here.

Anyways. Goodbye AD. It was a stressful 29 games.


EDIT: Wrote all of this and didn't even focus on the guys WAS was sending. I suppose that is telling. Out of everyone, Middleton is obviously the best player but he's past his prime. If he does stay and isn't bought out, I'm curious to see how much he has left in the tank. Bagley is one foot out of the league, much like DLo, but he is a warm body and is someone that can play if Gafford needs to sit for an extended period (which he should). Johnson and Branham I can't say much about truthfully. I think they were throw ins for roster compliance. I wouldn't be shocked if either of them become fun obscure Mavs trivia like Ricky Ledo.

[Mavs2021]

RoyTarpleysGhost
I dont think the Mavs are in the business of taking on bad contracts after finally getting some relief.

...but they got so much relief that they can actually take on the Poeltl contract, especially if they move on from Gafford. You basically replace Gafford´s salary with Poeltl´s salary and gain 2-3 first round picks in the process. That´s exactly how they should think.

100% it should not a coincidence that the trade exception is large enough to fit Poeltl. They surely talked to the Raptors about AD. In the process they could gauge how desperate they are to move off Poeltl.

Poeltl for the Raptors 2026 1st, swap rights with the Lakers pick in 2029 and Martin for Agbaji.

Then trade Gafford to Atlanta for the Cavs pick + Kennard.

Now look at this:

Mavs 2026 1st
Raptors 2026 1st
Cavs 2026 1st
Thunder 2026 1st

Roster

Irving 39.5
Washington 19.8
Poeltl 19.5
Thompson 17.4
Flagg 14.5
Marshall 9.4
Christie 8.2
Lively 7.2
Johnson 3.2
Nembhard 2.5
Cisse 2.5
four first round picks ~20.0
163.7

Line-Up:

Irving/1st round picks
Christie/1st round picks
Marshall/Thompson
Flagg/Washington
Lively/Poeltl

They would not even have touched their best projected starting five for 2027 AND add four young players that suit our new Flagg timeline running style, except Poeltl for special big dudes assignments.

In 2028 they might actually be able to get under the cap far enough to call somebody in LA. 
 
If they pull off these suggested subsequent trades, I might have to give them an A for the AD trade.

[JamesConway912]

https://x.com/nationmffl/status/2019147708112728147?s=46&t=-bN4oD2OLU_Ue80HIM_CZQ

They also opened up multiple other roster building avenues:

- $15M midlevel exception
- $20.8M trade exception
- $6M trade exception

All usable next summer with limited FA opportunities for players and / or in trades.

Therefore will still be able to get guys like Coby White, Kuminga, Mathurin via those avenues. 

I think it’s about as good a trade as we could have hoped for after his latest injury. AD makes A LOT of money which is essentially tied to the bench 60+% of the time. At some point it’s time to face the facts and the guy just wasnt helping the team from his seat on the bench.

[RasheedsBigWhiteSpot]

Poeltl for the Raptors 2026 1st, swap rights with the Lakers pick in 2029 and Martin for Agbaji.

Considering the value of cap space I'd want waaaaaaaay more than one late 1st. Think about it: teams are asking for 1sts for taking on one season of a bad contract. Poertl has FOUR.  I honestly don't think there is a palatable number of picks for taking on the single worst contract in the league. I mean, if Toronto offered three 1sts and swaps to just flat out eat it so that they could financially breathe, then okay. But I seriously doubt they do that. 

The Mavs finally have massive financial freedom and you want to go on TILT and give it away for the 22nd pick.  Please don't.

[SleepingHero]

Andy Bailey (@AndrewDBailey)
I might be the only person who cares, but Marvin Bagley has been solid this season, and I'm genuinely curious to watch him play with Cooper Flagg.

[Mavs2021]

Considering the value of cap space I'd want waaaaaaaay more than one late 1st. Think about it: teams are asking for 1sts for taking on one season of a bad contract. Poertl has FOUR.  I honestly don't think there is a palatable number of picks for taking on the single worst contract in the league. I mean, if Toronto offered three 1sts and swaps to just flat out eat it so that they could financially breathe, then okay. But I seriously doubt they do that. 

The Mavs finally have massive financial freedom and you want to go on TILT and give it away for the 22nd pick.  Please don't.

It´s all part of the negotiation. Maybe they can get the 2026 1st (which is 19th right now, not 22nd), a future Raptors 1st (they have all of them), plus the Martin relief, which is 50% of Poeltl for two years. You can´t let this massive trade exception go to waste. That´s for sure. 

This draft is supposed to be generational and a 19th pick can be very good. I love Stirtz as much as I hated Knueppel. Now imagine how good Stirtz must be, if I think Knueppel is sh*t.

[Smitty]

It´s all part of the negotiation. Maybe they can get the 2026 1st (which is 19th right now, not 22nd), a future Raptors 1st (they have all of them), plus the Martin relief, which is 50% of Poeltl for two years. You can´t let this massive trade exception go to waste. That´s for sure. 

This draft is supposed to be generational and a 19th pick can be very good. I love Stirtz as much as I hated Knueppel. Now imagine how good Stirtz must be, if I think Knueppel is sh*t.

Mavs have 1 year to use that TPE. Plenty of time this summer or next TDL to do anything other than take on that albatross.

[Mavs2021]

Andy Bailey (@AndrewDBailey)
I might be the only person who cares, but Marvin Bagley has been solid this season, and I'm genuinely curious to watch him play with Cooper Flagg.

Agreed. 10/6 off the bench +5.8 on/off, shooting 60/42/64 with an offense to be projected run and gun that´s a useful bench big. The Wizards have so many crap young players to look at, that I actually think the Mavs moved for Bagley with intent.

[Winter]

Andy Bailey (@AndrewDBailey)
I might be the only person who cares, but Marvin Bagley has been solid this season, and I'm genuinely curious to watch him play with Cooper Flagg.

His shooting stats are noticeably better, and he's getting almost double the minutes from the last couple of years.

Who knows what that's about.... but it's interesting.

[Mavs2021]

Mavs have 1 year to use that TPE. Plenty of time this summer or next TDL to do anything other than take on that albatross.

Taking on an albatross is the whole point of a TPE. Move with the times. It´s time to hoard draft captial and do it asap to build around Flagg.

There is an actual benefit to having a mid 1st compared to a very high 1st too, when the draft is projected to be this good. That´s probably a salary difference of 6-10M per year on the rookie scale.