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[mvossman]

I look at the threads on this forum and see nothing about Flagg. Discussions about Flagg should dominate this forum.

Then go somewhere else.  I don't see you posting about Flagg.  All you have ever posted about is how stupid other posters are.

[KillerLeft]

I look at the threads on this forum and see nothing about Flagg. Discussions about Flagg should dominate this forum.

Not sure it's up to you to tell the forum what we can/can't find interesting to discuss. 

Sorry you don't like it here. Nobody's twisting your arm to stay, my guy.

[windjc]

Not sure it's up to you to tell the forum what we can/can't find interesting to discuss. 

Sorry you don't like it here. Nobody's twisting your arm to stay, my guy.

Yes, and this is exactly why this place has become a ghost town. 

But please keep discussing, with your three friends inside this small padded room, all the scenarios in which the Mavs can get an extra 2nd round pick in 2047, while the real world turns outside.

[KillerLeft]

Yes, and this is exactly why this place has become a ghost town. 

But please keep discussing, with your three friends inside this small padded room, all the scenarios in which the Mavs can get an extra 2nd round pick in 2047, while the real world turns outside.

That's what we've always done, my dude. Well, at least as long as I've been part of this community, which goes back to the Yuku days. I feel like that's more than 20 years at this point, but it all runs together at some point, so not sure. 

Why are you here? Just to be a jerk? The rest of us like each other (most of the time).

[david75090]

I think, for the most part, there's a flow to the forum. Not too much forcing a topic, like talking about Cooper Flagg, just to be talking about Cooper Flagg.

[KillerLeft]

I think, for the most part, there's a flow to the forum. Not too much forcing a topic, like talking about Cooper Flagg, just to be talking about Cooper Flagg.

Well, that and, like Mvossman said, we’re all free to start discussions here about whatever Mavs/basketball topics we’d like. It’s one thing to admonish the group for overindulging in certain topics, because that can get tiring at times, but if your complaint is that there’s not enough discussion about a particular topic then the solution is clear: START THE DISCUSSIONS THAT INTEREST YOU.

[SleepingHero]

Joey Mistretta (@JoeyMistretta_)
Cooper Flagg on his future with the Mavs: “Loyalty has always been a big thing for me… I’d be foolish not to want to be here for as long as I can.”

[SleepingHero]

Joey Mistretta (@JoeyMistretta_)
Cooper Flagg on his future with the Mavs: “Loyalty has always been a big thing for me… I’d be foolish not to want to be here for as long as I can.”

Genuinely unsure how the Mavs got so lucky.

The scars from Luka will never heal, but Cooper is doing his damn best to make sure they heal fast.

[Mavs2021]

Genuinely unsure how the Mavs got so lucky.

Well that one is on the local fans. Without the riots Adam Silver and the NBA would not have needed to fix the draft. And I´m still leaning more toward it happened than not. Just imagine this team without Flagg for a second. Lively/Christie would be the future. They´d have the same record as the Clippers/Kings, the arena would either be half empty, toxic and more likely both. Team was 3-9 with Nico, 8-8 since. I´m not sure they can get higher than 9th, certainly not higher than 7th, but they sure as hell not sniffing around 0.500 without Flagg and Nico being fired. Fans also have been very forgiving, if we are all honest. The Mavericks should be going bankrupt for how they treated their customers.

[SleepingHero]

Abby Jones
@_abigaiiiil

Cooper Flagg shares his growing relationship with Dirk Nowitzki:

"I've talked about a good amount [of basketball] with him. I think as of late, especially. I've tried to reach out a little bit more and grow our relationship. He's just an incredible basketball mind and such a figure here in Dallas that I'd be dumb not to want to reach out and learn as much as I can from him. He's been amazing, just trying to be around for me and give me guidance in a lot of different ways. He has a lot to give me and there's a lot I can learn from him, so I'm excited to continue to build our relationship."

[david75090]

The woman who owns the Mavs has shown that she's willing to part with millions of dollars to get what she wants. As evidenced by the recent news about giving $350M to fund the political campaign of someone who's not eligible to run for the office. Almost as if, rules be damned. Need a star basketball player for your troubled basketball team? Buy one, anyway you can. Need to rig a draft? How much does that cost? "They can't do that!" Just a matter of money to someone who's got money.

[Winter]

The woman who owns the Mavs has shown that she's willing to part with millions of dollars to get what she wants. As evidenced by the recent news about giving $350M to fund the political campaign of someone who's not eligible to run for the office. Almost as if, rules be damned. Need a star basketball player for your troubled basketball team? Buy one, anyway you can. Need to rig a draft? How much does that cost? "They can't do that!" Just a matter of money to someone who's got money.

In that case, buy Presti for GM. It looks better and no one will complain.

[michaeltex]

I think we all know Presti is a pipe dream, he's built a winning organization that should stay in contention for the next 10 years. Going 4 hours south just to start all over again from scratch isn't much of a draw, no matter the finances.

That said, I would like to find the next GM just to give some direction to the team building decisions. Maybe it can be by committee with Finley/Cuban/?? but I haven't seen anything yet.

[SleepingHero]

I am a big fan of Bob Myers. Not sure why he got a bad rap. He left the Warriors and they quickly fell apart.

[ThisIStheYear]

Okay. It’s settled. Barring injury, Flagg will almost certainly develop into an elite two way #1 option. I wasn’t sure at first if he’d be a 1 or a 2, but he’s a 1. Next question: what’s the ideal archetype Robin to pair with him? AD and Flagg work well but are not on the same timeline, and AD’s contract extension demands will force him out of Dallas sooner rather than later. So, who’s the 2? Not who exactly, but what type of player? To be realistic, I’m not talking about pairing him with a generational superstar, just a mere all star. I’d favor someone like a Ja(y)len — a high intensity, physical small forward/guard who plays great defense and can carry a significant scoring load.

[KillerLeft]

Okay. It’s settled. Barring injury, Flagg will almost certainly develop into an elite two way #1 option. I wasn’t sure at first if he’d be a 1 or a 2, but he’s a 1. Next question:  what’s the ideal archetype Robin to pair with him?  AD and Flagg work well but are not on the same timeline, and AD’s contract extension demands will force him out of Dallas sooner rather than later.  So, who’s the 2?  Not who exactly, but what type of player?  To be realistic, I’m not talking about pairing him with a generational superstar, just a mere all star.  I’d favor someone like a Ja(y)len — a high intensity, physical small forward/guard who plays great defense and can carry a significant scoring load.

That type (athletic 3/2 type) would work well. They need to be able to shoot REALLY well, and you probably need two of them. 

A defensive center who can move his feet, like AD, only younger, would be good, too. Hopefully, this can be Lively, but I guess we don't know yet. I don't necessarily think this guy has to have 3pt range, but they need to have a way to function offensively away from the basket in the right situations, so that the paint is open for Flagg's lethal drive. The DHO perimeter off ball screening actions work pretty well when Davis, or Lively are out there. Even Powell, tbh.

I think those types of players are needed regardless of who the team's 2nd best player is. My opinion is still that the 2nd best player should be a ball-handler, and probably an actual PG. Younger than Kyrie, obviously. I think you can still go "point Flagg" when the situation or matchup lends itself, but you need other options to set up offense, as last night's fourth quarter showed us. The Mavs were outscored 31-19 in the fourth, basically because they had no way to create offense when Detroit tightened the screws.

[Mavs2021]

Okay. It’s settled. Barring injury, Flagg will almost certainly develop into an elite two way #1 option. I wasn’t sure at first if he’d be a 1 or a 2, but he’s a 1. Next question:  what’s the ideal archetype Robin to pair with him?  AD and Flagg work well but are not on the same timeline, and AD’s contract extension demands will force him out of Dallas sooner rather than later.  So, who’s the 2?  Not who exactly, but what type of player?  To be realistic, I’m not talking about pairing him with a generational superstar, just a mere all star.  I’d favor someone like a Ja(y)len — a high intensity, physical small forward/guard who plays great defense and can carry a significant scoring load.

Jaylen Brown is averaging 29/6/5 with elite defense and above average shooting in just 33MPG. I think I´m fine if that is our #2.  

He´s easily a top 10 player in the league this year. We just never saw how good he is, cause he´s always been on a very good team. 

Similar to MPJ going bonkers in Brooklyn. Though the biggest surprise is probably that he´s stayed healthy so far.

As fas what we need next to Flagg. He´s easy to build around. As long as the other guy can shoot, I don´t even think it matters whether it´s a guard or a forward.

[Chicagojk]

Just curious...Mavs pick 11th...would you trade that pick and PJ for Trey Murphy?

[Chicagojk]

I am obviously all over the place and every time AD falls down it looks like an ambulance may need to pick him up.

With that being said, Flagg is ready to win now.  What is wrong with the two timeline thing?   AD and Kyrie have two more years left on the contract.  Is it such a bad idea to keep them around while trying to find a younger 1-2 longer term piece?  Eventually, AD and Kyrie come off the books.   Having both come off the books when Flagg is 21 with hopefully a youngish roster isn't the worst thing.   Just don't be pressured into any extension talks.  

Is this group a contender?  I would guess not.   Although I see little value in moving off AD if I am not getting a package I view worthy of his talent.   a really bad injury is a concern, but if I am not getting another core building block back for him I don't really see it as a huge risk.  The biggest risk is if AD plays, this team will probably win more than they lose and that will impact your draft spot.  That is a legit concern.

[KillerLeft]

As fas what we need next to Flagg. He´s easy to build around. As long as the other guy can shoot, I don´t even think it matters whether it´s a guard or a forward.

I agree with this. 

All of our Mavs fandom has been spent building around guys who can't defend: Dirk, Luka, Brunson, Nash...even Finley before any of them. We're conditioned to think the Mavs can never have enough defenders, and then when the team gets to the 2nd round and beyond, we change the rallying cry to "two-way" players, which is obviously what every team is looking for. 

Ironically, what THIS team, being built around Flagg, who is a difference maker on BOTH ends, needs most is SHOOTING, imho. Flagg obviously feels more comfortable as a scorer when he's able to get the ball inside. I think his perimeter game will continue to develop, but right now what would aid in his offensive development is SPACE. The 4/5 chemistry between him and AD is working well. AD isn't a shooter, but is dangerous enough outside of the paint to hold defenders, and has the IQ to know when to keep his distance to clear driving lanes and when to sneak into the dunker spot. It's the other two forwards, Marshall and PJW, who are getting in Flagg's way out there, imo. I think you hold onto ONE of them to backup Flagg and play with him at times, but the other should be changed out for a quick, athletic guy who's more 3/2 than 3/4 or 4/3, and who, above all else, can really shoot. That new guy should be the starter at forward next to Flagg, I think. 

I think you need that guy AND a guard.