MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

If the Bulls are ready to do something stupid, be ready to pull the trigger.

[mvossman]

@LocalBullsFan
So the Bulls have always been a close to the vest kind of team since AK’s arrival. Anything substantial before the deadline is through Shams and anything after is mostly through KC.

They wanted this to get out…we’re gonna give up the Giannis package minus Matas for AD…

No chance that happens.  I wish the Mavs would pull the trigger on Lindsey.  I would greatly prefer him to deal with this instead of our interim guys.

[SleepingHero]

@TheDunkCentral
Anthony Davis reportedly expects to be traded, per @DALHoopsJournal

[FireNicoHarrison]

@TheDunkCentral
Anthony Davis reportedly expects to be traded, per @DALHoopsJournal

Oh well... This game explained.

I don't think he wanted to be here so his lazy start of the season was clear but a trade scenario can motivate him. Good.

[F Gump]

@TheDunkCentral
Anthony Davis reportedly expects to be traded, per @DALHoopsJournal

I'm a bit leery of the legitimacy of this tweet. There was no article or quote linked whatsoever, and I don't find anything like that on the DHJ site. 

In addition, if DHJ had news like that, they would presumably make it front and center, and repeat it over and over. That's the very sort of exclusive that they look for. And it would spread like wildfire everywhere, if there was any actual legit reporter who said this.

If anyone has a real link to support this as something DHJ actually said, or AD either, I'm all ears. But for now, I'm calling BS on  TheDunkCentral.

[myconsumerclub]

Cuban is probably thinking we can turn the season around after last night. I would caution them to be slow to get that excited another AD injury and he is impossible to trade we cannot think that keeping him and trying to win anything is a path forward. Sorry AD you looked good last night and we probably loose without you and even if PJ was available. I can't get over how both of our young centers are so injured now. In the draft we may need to find us a big over a PG like I had thought would be our greatest need maybe that 6'9 PG is who we need to target so we get size and a PG. With Nemby and Bwill here and Irving returning there is probably no need to add a PG till its time for Kyrie to retire but I think the lack of draft capital means we develop one now while we can. Hell Kyrie may want to play another 5 seasons and we have nothing to worry about because he is such a good player and talent that even a Father time damaged Kyrie is better than most teams have.

[Tyler]

I'm a bit leery of the legitimacy of this tweet. There was no article or quote linked whatsoever, and I don't find anything like that on the DHJ site. 

Yep. DHJ mentions in an article that people around the league "expect AD to be traded". That's not the same as "AD expects to be traded". Even if it's probably accurate, the aggregated quote is fake news.

[SleepingHero]

I'm a bit leery of the legitimacy of this tweet. There was no article or quote linked whatsoever, and I don't find anything like that on the DHJ site. 

In addition, if DHJ had news like that, they would presumably make it front and center, and repeat it over and over. That's the very sort of exclusive that they look for. And it would spread like wildfire everywhere, if there was any actual legit reporter who said this.

If anyone has a real link to support this as something DHJ actually said, or AD either, I'm all ears. But for now, I'm calling BS on  TheDunkCentral.

DunkCentral is just an aggregator. Usually take their stuff with a grain of salt. But here is the article they were aggregating:

https://dallashoopsjournal.com/p/chicago...rs-news-2/

Davis was born and raised in Chicago. The future Hall of Famer is expected to get traded after the Mavericks fired Nico Harrison as general manager, sources told DallasHoopsJournal.

[Nowitzki Way]

Games like last night are such a tease. AD is still out of shape but looks so good at times. He's such a unique player, one this team has never really had. It sucks that his body is so fragile. A healthy career of Anthony Davis is a quite possibly a top 20 player of all time.

Even that healthy AD career is not enough in a Luka trade and i'll never forgive Nico. But sometimes if you squint really really hard you can see the vision of a healthy AD with Kyrie, P.J., Lively, Klay, Gafford, Naji, Max. This team had a chance last year had Kyrie not gotten hurt.

Now you add Flagg. This team could be decent with Kyrie. No reason to rush an AD trade with the trade deadline 2 months away. If we can add Kyrie and AD stays healthy.... Well Feb 5th could be a franchise altering day. Its not crazy to think a contending team could see him as the piece to push them to a championship. 4 or 5 picks may not be a crazy thought after all.

[F Gump]

DunkCentral is just an aggregator. Usually take their stuff with a grain of salt. But here is the article they were aggregating:

https://dallashoopsjournal.com/p/chicago...rs-news-2/

So they didn't really aggregate - they wrote something that was not said. The original basically said all the things we surmise here - Mavs will be looking for a suitable AD deal, but it may or may not happen during the season, and they (and he) need for him to be playing at his peak between now and then.

It also bears mentioning that the writer of this at DHJ is their fake-trade article writer, and typically weaves lots of weak poorly-supported assumptions into his articles, so I am hesitant to take his undefined "sources" as anyone who has a real clue of what's happening.

[Dahlsim]

Games like last night are such a tease.  AD is still out of shape but looks so good at times. He's such a unique player, one this team has never really had.  It sucks that his body is so fragile. A healthy career of Anthony Davis is a quite possibly a top 20 player of all time.

Even that healthy AD career is not enough in a Luka trade and i'll never forgive Nico. But sometimes if you squint really really hard you can see the vision of a healthy AD with Kyrie, P.J., Lively, Klay, Gafford, Naji, Max. This team had a chance last year had Kyrie not gotten hurt.

Yes, the way Nico conducted the 'stealth mode' trade without shopping one of and maybe the single most valuable player asset in the league, unprecedented, unforgivable.   That said, there have been at least a few trades in NBA history that netted out significantly worse than where the Mavs have netted out. 
This one also involved a injury prone All Star center but unlike AD, the franchise got a degenerative issue back instead of a guy who is just oddly fragile. 

Back in 2012, the Sixers traded Andre Iguodala, Maurice Harkless, Nik Vucevic and a first round pick for Andrew Bynum.  In the year prior to the Sixers trade, Bynum was able to suit up for 60 regular-season games and all 12 of the Lakers' postseason games. 

Bynum never played a single game for Philly. 

As bad as it is, Anthony Davis (and Max Christie) isn't the worst return a team has netted out in a super star transaction. 

Now you add Flagg. This team could be decent with Kyrie.  No reason to rush an AD trade with the trade deadline 2 months away. If we can add Kyrie and AD stays healthy.... Well Feb 5th could be a franchise altering day. Its not crazy to think a contending team could see him as the piece to push them to a championship. 4 or 5 picks may not be a crazy thought after a`ll.

Flagg (officially) was a 'lucky' downstream result but it is still possible to see what AD, Kyrie, Flagg looks like as a star core.  You probably don't get to see that really gel unless you keep AD/Kyrie into next season with both guys able to stay healthy enough for real run. Kyrie would need to time to see how close he can get back to being full Kyrie and the current roster has to adjust.

[mvossman]

Even that healthy AD career is not enough in a Luka trade and i'll never forgive Nico. But sometimes if you squint really really hard you can see the vision of a healthy AD with Kyrie, P.J., Lively, Klay, Gafford, Naji, Max. This team had a chance last year had Kyrie not gotten hurt.

That was a good team, but less than what it was pre trade and I don't think it had a chance if you mean getting to the finals.  It simply did not have enough offensive creation.  Kyrie is not a true point guard.  He has always been best off ball next to a larger ball dominate player (LeBron, Luka).  There was nobody to help carry the creation load (and they traded away one of the few guys on the roster that could have helped)...

[Nowitzki Way]

That was a good team, but less than what it was pre trade and I don't think it had a chance if you mean getting to the finals.  It simply did not have enough offensive creation.  Kyrie is not a true point guard.  He has always been best off ball next to a larger ball dominate player (LeBron, Luka).  There was nobody to help carry the creation load (and they traded away one of the few guys on the roster that could have helped)...

Pre-Luka trade. And pre-Grimes trade we had a chance for the finals.  We've had OKC's number.  We make the finals, we're beating Indiana. That could have been a lost championship because of that stupid trade. Both stupid trades.

Post-Luka/Grimes trades with a healthy Kyrie, AD, Lively.  I believe they could have made it to the West Finals. Do they beat OKC? Again, we had their number.  Add in the size of AD, Gafford, Lively, PJ.  It really disrupts OKC.  We had Max, Naji, Exum to guard (pick up fouls) on Shai.  Nuggets took them to 7 games, they were not unbeatable.

[mvossman]

Pre-Luka trade. And pre-Grimes trade we had a chance for the finals.  We've had OKC's number.  We make the finals, we're beating Indiana. That could have been a lost championship because of that stupid trade. Both stupid trades.

Post-Luka/Grimes trades with a healthy Kyrie, AD, Lively.  I believe they could have made it to the West Finals. Do they beat OKC? Again, we had their number.  Add in the size of AD, Gafford, Lively, PJ.  It really disrupts OKC.  We had Max, Naji, Exum to guard (pick up fouls) on Shai.  Nuggets took them to 7 games, they were not unbeatable.

I agree on pre-trade although I think we would have been better off with DJJ defense.

Don't see it post trade.  Not enough offensive creation on the one end, and if we tried to play two centers on the other end, I think they spread us out and pick us apart.  Nuggets took them to 7 because they had Jokic.  We have nothing like him.

[BigDirk41]

Pre-Luka trade. And pre-Grimes trade we had a chance for the finals.  We've had OKC's number.  We make the finals, we're beating Indiana. That could have been a lost championship because of that stupid trade. Both stupid trades.

Post-Luka/Grimes trades with a healthy Kyrie, AD, Lively.  I believe they could have made it to the West Finals. Do they beat OKC? Again, we had their number.  Add in the size of AD, Gafford, Lively, PJ.  It really disrupts OKC.  We had Max, Naji, Exum to guard (pick up fouls) on Shai.  Nuggets took them to 7 games, they were not unbeatable.

I agree that we had a legit chance to win the title last year had Nico not outsmarted the entire NBA. Not going to dwell on it, but I agree. Playoff Luka is just a different animal and the best player on the court wins most series when teams are pretty even.

[F Gump]

 Nuggets took them to 7 because they had Jokic.  We have nothing like him.

So? No team has a player like Jokic. That's why DEN has won the last 10 titles in a row. Oh wait ....

The point being, you don't have to win the Jokic-vs-_____ matchup. You just have to find a way to win more games. Or any other specific matchup. Or win using any specific style of play. You just have to have a way to compete and get past the other team.

[mvossman]

So? No team has a player like Jokic. That's why DEN has won the last 10 titles in a row. Oh wait ....

The point being, you don't have to win the Jokic-vs-_____ matchup. You just have to find a way to win more games. Or any other specific matchup. Or win using any specific style of play. You just have to have a way to compete and get past the other team.

The argument was they can't handle size and used Denver as example.  I am simply arguing I think it was less about size and more about Jokic.  Its easy to say just find a way to win more games, but a lot harder to do.  Look at the last 10 NBA champions and show me one that did not have elite creation.  Most of them had a top 5 creator in the NBA.  Boston was probably the farthest away with Tatum, but he had Brown, Jrue and White next to him.  Its almost impossible to compete at the highest levels without that kind of creation, and there is nothing about this roster that suggests they were going to be the ones to do it.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I see some people are still coping...

[DanSchwartzgan]

Pre-Luka trade:  Kyrie got hurt

Post-Luka/Grimes trades:  Kyrie got hurt

FIFY

Kidding aside, I tend to agree with your analysis if everyone is healthy.  I also feel like a Kyrie injury would have ended a run to the finals in the Pre-Luka trade version as well.

[Scott41theMavs]

FIFY

Kidding aside, I tend to agree with your analysis if everyone is healthy.  I also feel like a Kyrie injury would have ended a run to the finals in the Pre-Luka trade version as well.

The conventional wisdom here seems to be that Kyrie got hurt because he had to do too much post-Luka. So I don't buy your pre-trade hypothetical.