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(11-16-2025, 01:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, I think there are a number of potential ways forward from here - a number of variations on how much of a step back they should take to open the way forward. But the option I like the least out of all of them is to bottom out and tank for multiple years.
I'm not against it in theory, but as you said, they don't have their own picks, which are the most important assets to control in the midst of that approach. It would be one thing if 2-4 of those picks were owned by one team and there was a plausible way of getting them back (I can't remember who, but we just saw a team do that recently), but the Mavs' picks are all over the place. It's just not a tenable strategy, imho.
In a strange way I am kind of grateful they don't have those picks and a big part of me hopes they don't get any of them back. It really sucks to watch your team and have any part of you hope they lose. The biggest reason to go into a multi year tank is to increase your chances of landing a great player, and I think they already have that guy. I can live with tanking this year (its not like they have any choice) but I hope that we come out next offseason with a young functioning roster that will be fun to watch develop.
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(11-16-2025, 01:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, I think there are a number of potential ways forward from here - a number of variations on how much of a step back they should take to open the way forward. But the option I like the least out of all of them is to bottom out and tank for multiple years.
I'm not against it in theory, but as you said, they don't have their own picks, which are the most important assets to control in the midst of that approach. It would be one thing if 2-4 of those picks were owned by one team and there was a plausible way of getting them back (I can't remember who, but we just saw a team do that recently), but the Mavs' picks are all over the place. It's just not a tenable strategy, imho.
Seems like Nico’s strategy if his plan didn’t work out was hoping OKC and San Antonio suck. Ha
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(11-16-2025, 01:17 PM)mvossman Wrote: In a strange way I am kind of grateful they don't have those picks and a big part of me hopes they don't get any of them back. It really sucks to watch your team and have any part of you hope they lose. The biggest reason to go into a multi year tank is to increase your chances of landing a great player, and I think they already have that guy. I can live with tanking this year (its not like they have any choice) but I hope that we come out next offseason with a young functioning roster that will be fun to watch develop.
Right there with you, my dude.
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11-16-2025, 01:55 PM
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(11-16-2025, 01:17 PM)mvossman Wrote: In a strange way I am kind of grateful they don't have those picks and a big part of me hopes they don't get any of them back. It really sucks to watch your team and have any part of you hope they lose. The biggest reason to go into a multi year tank is to increase your chances of landing a great player, and I think they already have that guy. I can live with tanking this year (its not like they have any choice) but I hope that we come out next offseason with a young functioning roster that will be fun to watch develop.
That´s why I´m comfy with the Bulls trade.
Get me the Bulls and Blazers picks, turn White and Vucevic into Wolves/Celtics 1st round picks and say you come away with Brown Jr., Stirtz, Steinbach and Avladas. I guess Blazers won´t convert this year, otherwise you can add a 5th rookie. We doing the generational draft version of the Nets.
Magic need 3pt shooting, so send Klay + Hardy there for Isaac + Howard +2nd round picks. That´s a core of
Brown/Russell /Stirtz
Irving/Christie/Howard
Flagg/Essengue/Avdalas
Washington/Marshall/Steinbach
Lively/Gafford/Cisse
Okay maybe getting the Hornets pick back somehow would not be so bad. We probably be in the lottery next year, too. After that though Mavs will be young, very exciting and still bit sh*t. Hey good job Nico.
Do we actually have capspace in this scenario? Feels like only Kyrie and Washington make more than the MLE.
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yeah agreed, multi-year tank sounds miserable and unnecessary. Just come out of this draft with a decent 2 way SG and they should be set for a few years. Looks like this draft is loaded with good wings. I'd rather use an AD trade if it happens on someone that is not an undersized combo guard, try and do an SGA like deal on someone with some major upside even if they don't come anywhere close to MVP caliber. If you get quality picks in the '26 draft it's fine to get lesser players but I think those picks will be considered premium right now so deals will be harder to come by.
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Cooper has the drive and determination of an NBA senior.
Yet, he has the complexion of a high school senior.
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11-18-2025, 03:47 PM
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(11-16-2025, 12:51 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: Mavs can't tank the next 2-3 seasons, they only own their '26 pick then everything else is out of their control. It's just this year and then forced to win as much as possible from there on out.
Yeah, it's not going to be easy because Nico left the Mavs in a horrible spot when it comes to future picks between 2007-2030.
There are trade options the front office could look at to get the Mavs picks back though? These trades may not be entertained by the other teams at all... unless y'all ask Adam Silver to lean on those teams to get the trades done. It's the least he can do.
Also tell the Hornets and Thunder that the Mavs will not tank if they don't get their picks returned, and those picks will therefore be between 15-20.
- Anthony Davis: Trade to the Hornets for Miles Bridges, Grant Williams, Josh Green and 2027 DAL 1st round pick back.
- PJ Washington: Trade to Thunder for Isaiah Joe and 2028 DAL 1st round pick back.
- Kyrie Irving: Trade to Rockets for FVV, Reed Sheppard and 2029 DAL 1st round pick back.
- Daniel Gafford: Trade to Spurs for Kelly Olynyk and 2030 DAL 1st round pick back
The Mavs could re-route Miles Bridges to the Pistons for Tobias Harris and some assets... or to the Bulls for Patrick Williams and Ayo Dosunmu... or to the Heat for Terry Rozier and some assets... or even to the Pelicans/Clippers to lower the Hawks/Thunder chances of getting high lottery spots with their 2026 picks. FVV can be traded when he is back too.
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(11-18-2025, 03:47 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: Yeah, it's not going to be easy because Nico left the Mavs in a horrible spot when it comes to future picks between 2007-2030.
There are trade options the front office could look at to get the Mavs picks back though? These trades may not be entertained by the other teams at all... unless y'all ask Adam Silver to lean on those teams to get the trades done. It's the least he can do. 
Also tell the Hornets and Thunder that the Mavs will not tank if they don't get their picks returned, and those picks will therefore be between 15-20.
- Anthony Davis: Trade to the Hornets for Miles Bridges, Grant Williams, Josh Green and 2027 DAL 1st round pick back.
- PJ Washington: Trade to Thunder for Isaiah Joe and 2028 DAL 1st round pick back.
- Kyrie Irving: Trade to Rockets for FVV, Reed Sheppard and 2029 DAL 1st round pick back.
- Daniel Gafford: Trade to Spurs for Kelly Olynyk and 2030 DAL 1st round pick back
The Mavs could re-route Miles Bridges to the Pistons for Tobias Harris and some assets... or to the Bulls for Patrick Williams and Ayo Dosunmu... or to the Heat for Terry Rozier and some assets... or even to the Pelicans/Clippers to lower the Hawks/Thunder chances of getting high lottery spots with their 2026 picks. FVV can be traded when he is back too.
So will Mavs tank for next 4 years? Hell no.
I'm ok to tank this season (roster dysfunctional, great draft, injuries ecc ecc) but from next year i want to play for win... Obviously not the title soon but fight for a PO spot and let Flagg makes experience.
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I am not as pessimistic over the future as some here, because I am optimistic the Mavs will get Lindsey-or-better (and I'm still on the Presti bandwagon, of course) to run the room as they remake the roster. And that all by itself changes the assets available.
How does that matter? If you will remember the way-too-brief period of time when Lindsey was guiding negotiations, and out of nowhere the Mavs were getting the assets on the margins of trades, as they made deals. Never before, never since. We saw picks coming back this way, as a rule, whenever one was outgoing. We saw players being acquired for PART of a FRP (rather than just shipping off a pick or 2 each time). Once Lindsey left, the picks started getting frittered away again -extras tossed into every trade just because Nico was so weak as a negotiator. (THINK: can you believe the MAVS paid a pick to trade Luka, and also paid a pick to take on the grotesque C Martin contract??? How utterly absurd are those things???) I think the potential exists for Mavs picks to GROW rather than shrink, as they rebuild, assuming they get someone who knows what he is doing as a negotiator.
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@esidery
Naji Marshall is viewed by rival teams as a realistic trade target for contenders, if the Mavericks indeed pivot to a rebuild midseason.
Marshall, a versatile wing with valued toughness, is on a very affordable contract through 2026-27 making less than $10 million annually.
14x All-Star, 12x all-NBA, 1x MVP, 1x Finals MVP, 1 NBA Championship: Dirk Nowitzki, the man, the myth, the legend.
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(11-18-2025, 11:49 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @esidery
Naji Marshall is viewed by rival teams as a realistic trade target for contenders, if the Mavericks indeed pivot to a rebuild midseason.
Marshall, a versatile wing with valued toughness, is on a very affordable contract through 2026-27 making less than $10 million annually.
My ask would be very greedy for Naji as the offense would take a major hit.
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(11-18-2025, 10:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: I am not as pessimistic over the future as some here, because I am optimistic the Mavs will get Lindsey-or-better (and I'm still on the Presti bandwagon, of course) to run the room as they remake the roster. And that all by itself changes the assets available.
How does that matter? If you will remember the way-too-brief period of time when Lindsey was guiding negotiations, and out of nowhere the Mavs were getting the assets on the margins of trades, as they made deals. Never before, never since. We saw picks coming back this way, as a rule, whenever one was outgoing. We saw players being acquired for PART of a FRP (rather than just shipping off a pick or 2 each time). Once Lindsey left, the picks started getting frittered away again -extras tossed into every trade just because Nico was so weak as a negotiator. (THINK: can you believe the MAVS paid a pick to trade Luka, and also paid a pick to take on the grotesque C Martin contract??? How utterly absurd are those things???) I think the potential exists for Mavs picks to GROW rather than shrink, as they rebuild, assuming they get someone who knows what he is doing as a negotiator.
I'll be optimistic once we see who they hire as GM. There is no doubt that Lindsey was in Nico's ear on getting assets coming our way and structuring future picks the way we did.
if we can pull of the Lindsey-or-better hire then i agree. I'd love an Ainge type that can come in here with no personal ties to any of these players. Find the highest bids for AD, Klay, and pretty much anyone but Flagg, P.J. , and maybe Lively. Kyrie is another story. If he wants to go after the other vets go, I'd honor that and trade him. But if he's still on board for a quick rebuild the next few years I'd be ok with that too. I just dont see a reason to trade him this season. Teams will want him to prove he's healthy. I'm not sure he can do that before the trade deadline.
If we roll with one of the interim guys and bring back Cuban then we might be in trouble.
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(11-19-2025, 06:54 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: If we roll with one of the interim guys and bring back Cuban then we might be in trouble.
Oh Hell yeah!
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(11-18-2025, 10:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: I am not as pessimistic over the future as some here, because I am optimistic the Mavs will get Lindsey-or-better (and I'm still on the Presti bandwagon, of course) to run the room as they remake the roster. And that all by itself changes the assets available.
How does that matter? If you will remember the way-too-brief period of time when Lindsey was guiding negotiations, and out of nowhere the Mavs were getting the assets on the margins of trades, as they made deals. Never before, never since. We saw picks coming back this way, as a rule, whenever one was outgoing. We saw players being acquired for PART of a FRP (rather than just shipping off a pick or 2 each time). Once Lindsey left, the picks started getting frittered away again -extras tossed into every trade just because Nico was so weak as a negotiator. (THINK: can you believe the MAVS paid a pick to trade Luka, and also paid a pick to take on the grotesque C Martin contract??? How utterly absurd are those things???) I think the potential exists for Mavs picks to GROW rather than shrink, as they rebuild, assuming they get someone who knows what he is doing as a negotiator. I've wanted so many times to mention the underlined above. Competency is huge. We had a potato of a shoe salesman running the show with no guardrails.
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(11-19-2025, 12:10 AM)cow Wrote: My ask would be very greedy for Naji as the offense would take a major hit.
Should be a first or no deal. Although it’s likely gonna be an offer from a contender so probably a late pick.
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11-19-2025, 10:32 AM
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Cuban already has sent email giving them the blueprint for Plan Powder 2.0
Details of email:
2027 FAs is the goal - move assets now to make a run a this insane FA class. If we move enough, we can sign two of them. This is perfect - it will work, I promise you!! See our choices below:
Stephen Curry
Giannis
Joker
Jimmy Butler
KAT
Donovan Mitchell
Kawhi
Trae Young
See what I'm talking about? This is it...this is the move.
Love,
Mark
Breaking news from 2027 - Mavs sign a broken Paul George, Rudy Gobert and Jalen Green.
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Well Im all for the Mavericks re-building around flagg and i think there is some good young talent to be had in trades.
First on my list is Keonte George of Utah i think he would be a great to put with flagg.
if not him how about drafting the kid out of purdue braden smith.
Mavericks will be needing a straight up swap at center for A.D. and i like a numbers of young big guys who would be fun to watch in Dallas.
i like these two guys for the mavs how about going after mark williams on the suns or Donovan
Clingan of the trail blazers for A.D. Ryan
Kalkbrenner would be a risk with upside.
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Hey Detroit, we would gladly only take 3 firsts for AD
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/pdUvb2SsY8
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(11-19-2025, 10:32 AM)numnuts23 Wrote: Cuban already has sent email giving them the blueprint for Plan Powder 2.0
Details of email:
2027 FAs is the goal - move assets now to make a run a this insane FA class. If we move enough, we can sign two of them. This is perfect - it will work, I promise you!! See our choices below:
Stephen Curry
Giannis
Joker
Jimmy Butler
KAT
Donovan Mitchell
Kawhi
Trae Young
See what I'm talking about? This is it...this is the move.
Love,
Mark
Breaking news from 2027 - Mavs sign a broken Paul George, Rudy Gobert and Jalen Green. Oh Wow! My heart flutters, my toes are all atwitter...
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I know we'll most likely get some decent return on an AD trade, but man I just don't see why teams would want to take on that guy.
He played a whopping 9 games out of 32 for us last year (about 28%) and has only played 5 out of 16 this season.
And he's only played over 56 games 2 out of the last 7 years.
Time will ultimately tell, but I'm beginning to think Max is the best piece we received from the Luka trade.
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