Trade & FA 2025-26: Free Agency Starts 5pm CST/6pm EST

[KillerLeft]

Sixers "October 1, 2025 Re-signed G Quentin Grimes to a contract." "one-year, $8.7 million qualifying offer".

I don't think Grimes' prospects are going to be any better next summer. I wonder if he'll be traded again.

[DallasMaverick]

I don't think Grimes' prospects are going to be any better next summer. I wonder if he'll be traded again.

I think signing the QO also gives him a no-trade clause - essentially the power to veto any destination he doesn’t like. Or that he thinks won’t give him the contract he wants.

Players who have an outsized opinion of their value are really hard for front offices to deal with. I kinda think Nico did the right thing by trading him.

[SkenfromLMF]

I think signing the QO also gives him a no-trade clause - essentially the power to veto any destination he doesn’t like. Or that he thinks won’t give him the contract he wants.

Players who have an outsized opinion of their value are really hard for front offices to deal with. I kinda think Nico did the right thing by trading him.

Not for the return in salary. If Philly let Grimes walk they got out from under Martin's contract. And Got paid to do it! You could say that trade cost us OMax (no great loss) but in a hard cap world the buyout might come back to byte us in the assets.

[KillerLeft]

Not for the return in salary. If Philly let Grimes walk they got out from under Martin's contract. And Got paid to do it! You could say that trade cost us OMax (no great loss) but in a hard cap world the buyout might come back to byte us in the assets.

I think the jury is still out on this, personally. It could be that the deal was atrocious, but at this point I still feel some hope that Martin will be a key contributor this year. He's probably the best POA defender on the team, currently, and while it might not be easy to envision a regular rotation spot for him, I'd have absolutely no qualms about him playing if an injury or unexpected ordering of the depth chart occurred. 

Point being, I still think there's a chance Martin will actually perform in the role they wanted to pay Grimes to play. If Martin ends up being the end-of-bench ballast people assume he will be, then yes, he's an expensive way to fill the roster and they'd probably have been better off just letting Grimes expire.

[Winter]

I think the jury is still out on this, personally. It could be that the deal was atrocious, but at this point I still feel some hope that Martin will be a key contributor this year. He's probably the best POA defender on the team, currently, and while it might not be easy to envision a regular rotation spot for him, I'd have absolutely no qualms about him playing if an injury or unexpected ordering of the depth chart occurred. 

Point being, I still think there's a chance Martin will actually perform in the role they wanted to pay Grimes to play. If Martin ends up being the end-of-bench ballast people assume he will be, then yes, he's an expensive way to fill the roster and they'd probably have been better off just letting Grimes expire.

I agree with this. Martin was coming off an injury and coming into a new system. This is his first training camp with the Mavs. Plus, there's a new offense that might put him on a more level playing field with teammates.

You give Martin a chance. By February, you'll know what you have for better or worse.

[david75090]

What annoyed me about Martin was, he quit looking at the basket when he had the ball in his hands. I'm all for being a willing passer, but a player also has to be a threat to shoot, and at a high enough level so that the other team will have to guard you. Don't know what was up with that.

[Chicagojk]

I just don't know how they fit everyone in when healthy.  It is a deep roster with mostly good NBA players.   Injuries will make everyone fit at times.    Although when healthy, it will be real interesting how they fit everyone together.   I am for lower minutes to start the season, so maybe you can play a 10 man roation.   Although even with that it will be really tight.

[DallasMaverick]

Christian Wood is still available.

[Winter]

Christian Wood is still available.

I can't say I've ever witnessed a tailspin of a career quite like that. At no time did he redeem himself when arriving at a new team... and he was generally young and healthy through most of them. 

The fans were robbed. Not because of his play, but because we never even got good rumors!

[Mavs2021]

Christian Wood is still available.

He should have known better than to move into the NBA retirement home. Latest resident is Nico. He´s also finishing up his NBA career.

[mvossman]

I think the jury is still out on this, personally. It could be that the deal was atrocious, but at this point I still feel some hope that Martin will be a key contributor this year. He's probably the best POA defender on the team, currently, and while it might not be easy to envision a regular rotation spot for him, I'd have absolutely no qualms about him playing if an injury or unexpected ordering of the depth chart occurred. 

Point being, I still think there's a chance Martin will actually perform in the role they wanted to pay Grimes to play. If Martin ends up being the end-of-bench ballast people assume he will be, then yes, he's an expensive way to fill the roster and they'd probably have been better off just letting Grimes expire.

I suppose this is possible, but it does not seem likely.  He is a low volume, low efficiency offensive player, which is not a good combination.  For a team that will probably be starved for spacing, his POA skills will not be worth going 4 on 5 at the other end.

[KillerLeft]

I suppose this is possible, but it does not seem likely.  He is a low volume, low efficiency offensive player, which is not a good combination.  For a team that will probably be starved for spacing, his POA skills will not be worth going 4 on 5 at the other end.

Fair point. 

Tbtachwy, I don't feel that I can predict much, if anything, about how the roster will deployed or about how effective the plan will be. The coming situation seems like brave, new, wildly unpredictable ground to me. You could tell me they'll be the 3rd best team in the West or the 3rd worst and I'd believe you.

[Chicagojk]

Fair point. 

Tbtachwy, I don't feel that I can predict much, if anything, about how the roster will deployed or about how effective the plan will be. The coming situation seems like brave, new, wildly unpredictable ground to me. You could tell me they'll be the 3rd best team in the West or the 3rd worst and I'd believe you.

I saw a video of Martin shooting (it was only one shot) and it didn't look like he had that hitch in his shot.  If you watch his shot over the years it has changed.  Sometimes he doesn't jump, Sometimes he does. Sometimes he kicks his leg out and then he had that hitch.  It will be interesting to see if he has changed again.   Minutes will be real tight, but I am not sure he will be completely out of the rotation.

[Mavs2021]

Can we stop pretending that the Mavs did not badly lose the Martin trade? Grimes on the QO would be a perfect fit on this team. He´d get his 30 MPG to earn a contract. Mavs would get the needed offensive contributions from the guard position with no financial obligations. And it´s not out of the question they could even have agreed to an extension.

[F Gump]

Can we stop pretending that the Mavs did not badly lose the Martin trade? Grimes on the QO would be a perfect fit on this team. He´d get his 30 MPG to earn a contract. Mavs would get the needed offensive contributions from the guard position with no financial obligations. And it´s not out of the question they could even have agreed to an extension.

"Grimes on the QO would be a perfect fit on this team." -- Don't kid yourself. QG is j-a-g. If you simply reversed the trade now, no he wouldn't get anywhere near 30 mpg -- you'd end up with QG sitting rather than CM, because they have better players for all their minutes. Flagg is getting 30+ that went elsewhere last season, and leftovers (if any) will go to Christie, if he is the player we hope he can be. 

Don't get me wrong. I wish they didn't have Martin either. That much salary is such a huge waste for what will be a lightly played 3rd stringer. 

But QG is not special. He was the very same player in PHI that he was in DAL (only with more touches and a green light to jack up shots): an okay offensive player with mediocre defense (incredibly overrated by fans in that department). He thinks he's special and is owed a primary role in the lineup, with a salary to match, which is why he keeps quickly wearing out his welcome everywhere he goes.

[KillerLeft]

Can we stop pretending that the Mavs did not badly lose the Martin trade? Grimes on the QO would be a perfect fit on this team. He´d get his 30 MPG to earn a contract. Mavs would get the needed offensive contributions from the guard position with no financial obligations. And it´s not out of the question they could even have agreed to an extension.

I think it's fair to wonder whether a better trade could've been had, but what I think you're missing is that they (the Mavs, GM and coach) didn't like or want Grimes around anymore. When he refused the deal (and by extension, the role they wanted for him), they felt strongly enough (rightly or wrongly) to get rid of him. 

In other words, no, I don't believe the emboldened part above is true. Like, at all. I don't know that they'd have even offered the QO, tbh. It seems like they'd had enough of him. If they had kept him around on the QO, I think he'd be right where we think Martin will be, trapped behind Flagg, Thompson, Christie, Marshall AND Exum in that 2-3 position range.

[KillerLeft]

"Grimes on the QO would be a perfect fit on this team." -- Don't kid yourself. QG is j-a-g. If you simply reversed the trade now, no he wouldn't get anywhere near 30 mpg -- you'd end up with QG sitting rather than CM, because they have better players for all their minutes. Flagg is getting 30+ that went elsewhere last season, and leftovers (if any) will go to Christie, if he is the player we hope he can be. 

Don't get me wrong. I wish they didn't have Martin either. That much salary is such a huge waste for what will be a lightly played 3rd stringer. 

But QG is not special. He was the very same player in PHI that he was in DAL (only with more touches and a green light to jack up shots): an okay offensive player with mediocre defense (incredibly overrated by fans in that department). He thinks he's special and is owed a primary role in the lineup, with a salary to match, which is why he keeps quickly wearing out his welcome everywhere he goes.

Beat me to it.

[Jym]

I'm excited to see what we have in Christie
Wouldn't be crazy at all if he's considered a better player than Grimes in a year or 2

[Chicagojk]

I'm excited to see what we have in Christie
Wouldn't be crazy at all if he's considered a better player than Grimes in a year or 2

Grimes played well in Dallas.  I thought he was excellent in Philly.   He was playing for a tanking team, but I don't think he put up tanking stats.  They were good stats.  With that being said, I am not sure he will be a good starter for a good team.  I think he is probably a really good bench piece.  I think.

I think Dallas picked Christie over him.  Whether that was because Christie had the cost controlled contract or because he was a part of the Luka trade, I do not know.  Although, Dallas picked Christie over Grimes.   I don't think there is room for both.  Although maybe minus Klay there could be.   Regardless desptite his solid play in Dallas it never felt like Kidd was ever a true believer.  We will see.

[mvossman]

Grimes played well in Dallas.  I thought he was excellent in Philly.   He was playing for a tanking team, but I don't think he put up tanking stats.  They were good stats.  With that being said, I am not sure he will be a good starter for a good team.  I think he is probably a really good bench piece.  I think.

I think Dallas picked Christie over him.  Whether that was because Christie had the cost controlled contract or because he was a part of the Luka trade, I do not know.  Although, Dallas picked Christie over Grimes.   I don't think there is room for both.  Although maybe minus Klay there could be.   Regardless desptite his solid play in Dallas it never felt like Kidd was ever a true believer.  We will see.

I mean, he already was a quality starter on a good team in his second year in the league.  I think Max has a long way to go to get to Grimes level offensively.  I do agree that he has too much overlap with Klay (who is not going anywhere).  

But the thing is, he has now gone through four teams that he has not been able to come to terms with.  That is a really bad red flag.