FA: Myles Turner Goes to MIL?? | 4yrs/107mil

[KillerLeft]

So many thoughts about this.

At first, my mind went to the fact that Giannis and Turner are going to be a great, great fit. Turner is like a better, more versatile, more athletic version of prime Brooke Lopez, and he's going to create space for Giannis that hasn't been there for years.

But then...THEY STRETCH WAIVED DAME???!!!! On what planet does that make sense? Is there some type of relief that kicks in if the player retires??? Like, do they know something we don't about his future prospects? I don't get it. Dumping NBA royalty to sign a pretty good center (maybe top 10? Maybe?) and getting $22 million in dead money PER YEAR, FOR 5 YEARS seems...shortsighted.

And now there are reports of Giannis being upset about it?

The NBA just never stops being crazy.

[SleepingHero]

I think it’s an overpay for MIL.

Dame’s stretch-waive really hurts, too.

Was it desperation? Demanded by Giannis?

Is Turner really much better than Lopez?

This is a rare lose-lose situation imo.

MIL 100% overpaid. Not only is Turner on a big deal, but they also S/W Dame to make it happen. They're essentially "paying" Turner 22.5mil+his salary every year on their cap books. Almost 50mil a year. 

Not only that, but now there are reports Giannis is unhappy they let Dame go. Insanity.

[SleepingHero]

But then...THEY STRETCH WAIVED DAME???!!!! On what planet does that make sense? Is there some type of relief that kicks in if the player retires??? Like, do they know something we don't about his future prospects? I don't get it. Dumping NBA royalty to sign a pretty good center (maybe top 10? Maybe?) and getting $22 million in dead money PER YEAR, FOR 5 YEARS seems...shortsighted.

There is no relief. That money is written in ink on their books for the next 5 years. 15% of their cap every year is vaporized for half a decade.

[KillerLeft]

There is no relief. That money is written in ink on their books for the next 5 years. 15% of their cap every year is vaporized for half a decade.

I mean...I'm pissed that the Mavs are still paying off JaVale McGee. I can't even imagine how Bucks fans (if they still have any) will feel three years from now.

[SkenfromLMF]

MAN, does this make agreeing to terms with D-Lo early hurt??
I might rather take a run at Dame than anything on the FA market for a PG.
You like outside shooting then Dame is the man east of Curry.

Yes Turner is better than Lopez but 21 million in dead money for... nah that is equivalent to 40+ going to getting Turner.
Do we remember how much anguish having the stretch waive of Javale McGee caused because of 3.5 million or so for 2-3 years.
Imagine every fantasy trade hitting a glass ceiling 20 million below the aprons.

[Jym]

MAN, does this make agreeing to terms with D-Lo early hurt??
I might rather take a run at Dame than anything on the FA market for a PG.
You like outside shooting then Dame is the man east of Curry.

Yes Turner is better than Lopez but 21 million in dead money for... nah that is equivalent to 40+ going to getting Turner.
Do we remember how much anguish having the stretch waive of Javale McGee caused because of 3.5 million or so for 2-3 years.
Imagine every fantasy trade hitting a glass ceiling 20 million below the aprons.

Dame is missing the full season 
signing him now is all about trying to lock in that 26/27 season if you really want him

[HoosierDaddyKid]

MAN, does this make agreeing to terms with D-Lo early hurt??
I might rather take a run at Dame than anything on the FA market for a PG.
You like outside shooting then Dame is the man east of Curry.

Yes Turner is better than Lopez but 21 million in dead money for... nah that is equivalent to 40+ going to getting Turner.
Do we remember how much anguish having the stretch waive of Javale McGee caused because of 3.5 million or so for 2-3 years.
Imagine every fantasy trade hitting a glass ceiling 20 million below the aprons.

Dame wouldn't have helped. He's out for the season.

[cow]

Dame wouldn't have helped. He's out for the season.

I wonder what type of salary he'll command once he returns for the following season.

[KillerLeft]

If I'm running the Knicks, I'm officially going after Rick Carlisle at this point. Perfect storm.

The Pacers' ownership is using the Haliburton injury as an excuse to avoid paying the tax this season. Maybe not the worst idea, actually, but probably not what anyone involved was hoping for, coming off of a finals run. I'm assuming Carlisle isn't thrilled about this coming Indiana season, regardless of where he is on the logic of their approach.

Carlisle is the perfect candidate to get the Brunson/KAT partnership to reach its full potential, offensively, for as much longer as that nucleus lasts. And, he has long wanted to coach Giannis, which matters, because trading KAT for him at the first opportunity seems to be NY's long term strategy.

I would imagine Carlisle is one of the most highly paid coaches right now, given that he's the oldest. I wouldn't be shocked if both he and IND management would welcome a chance to extend their "gap year" to include starting over with a younger, cheaper coach.

Probably won't happen, obviously, but just a thought I had this morning.

[Jmaciscool]

If I'm running the Knicks, I'm officially going after Rick Carlisle at this point. Perfect storm.

The Pacers' ownership is using the Haliburton injury as an excuse to avoid paying the tax this season. Maybe not the worst idea, actually, but probably not what anyone involved was hoping for, coming off of a finals run. I'm assuming Carlisle isn't thrilled about this coming Indiana season, regardless of where he is on the logic of their approach.

Carlisle is the perfect candidate to get the Brunson/KAT partnership to reach its full potential, offensively, for as much longer as that nucleus lasts. And, he has long wanted to coach Giannis, which matters, because trading KAT for him at the first opportunity seems to be NY's long term strategy.

I would imagine Carlisle is one of the most highly paid coaches right now, given that he's the oldest. I wouldn't be shocked if both he and IND management would welcome a chance to extend their "gap year" to include starting over with a younger, cheaper coach.

Probably won't happen, obviously, but just a thought I had this morning.

Not to mention that Carlisle is still under contract so he fits what New York has been looking for in a head coach.

[KillerLeft]

Not to mention that Carlisle is still under contract so he fits what New York has been looking for in a head coach.

That's the point, yeah. They seemed to make a knee-jerk reaction to fire Thibs with no real plan on how to replace him, and now there's talk of Mike Brown (lolololol) getting that job. 

I actually think this is a great, semi-plausible solution that has just fallen into their laps.

[Jmaciscool]

That's the point, yeah. They seemed to make a knee-jerk reaction to fire Thibs with no real plan on how to replace him, and now there's talk of Mike Brown (lolololol) getting that job. 

I actually think this is a great, semi-plausible solution that has just fallen into their laps.

Oh for sure, it makes sense for all parties.

[DallasMaverick]

I think it’s an overpay for MIL.

Dame’s stretch-waive really hurts, too.

Was it desperation? Demanded by Giannis?

Is Turner really much better than Lopez?

I think Milwaukee talked it over with their medical staff, believed that, even if he makes a comeback, he will be a far diminished shell of what he was…and decided to rip off the band-aid. 

Actually, ripping off the band-aid would have been releasing him without the stretch waive, and just being bad until his contract expired and cap space opened back up. But Giannis wouldn’t have gone for that. So they’re trying to be somewhat good while working with one financial hand tied behind their back.

Might have been better for them long-term to trade Giannis for short-term salary and a bunch of picks. Time will tell.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I saw this earlier today and just now got back.  I'm flabbergasted at this.  It is something that the worst fantasy trader on the board might cook up and then would be blasted as something that would never happen by FG and a host of others.  Just nuts to S/W Lillard.  But, they don't control their draft for years to come

I will say that the draft and free agency has been kind of fun despite no one having much room and the free agent class being so poor.  Teams seem to be really competing and building their depth.  Heck, even Charlotte has stopped doing Charlotte things.  You can argue that Milwaukee and other teams like Atlanta are delusional, but they have a star now (superstar in the case of the Bucks).  There is no promise another one will come along anytime soon.  So, I admire the gumption, but it probably isn't the way I would have done it.

[KillerLeft]

I saw this earlier today and just now got back.  I'm flabbergasted at this.  It is something that the worst fantasy trader on the board might cook up and then would be blasted as something that would never happen by FG and a host of others.  Just nuts to S/W Lillard.  But, they don't control their draft for years to come

I will say that the draft and free agency has been kind of fun despite no one having much room and the free agent class being so poor.  Teams seem to be really competing and building their depth.  Heck, even Charlotte has stopped doing Charlotte things.  You can argue that Milwaukee and other teams like Atlanta are delusional, but they have a star now (superstar in the case of the Bucks).  There is no promise another one will come along anytime soon.  So, I admire the gumption, but it probably isn't the way I would have done it.

I think MIL's moves are pretty delusional, but I'm actually pretty high on ATL's summer. You're not?

[DanSchwartzgan]

I think MIL's moves are pretty delusional, but I'm actually pretty high on ATL's summer. You're not?

Summer, yes.  But, in the end, they are doing things to try to make Trae Young work (and hoping from health from someone more injury prone than AD).  At least the latter part only comes with a one year commitment...so far.  I'm not sure I'd want to be the team that has to extend Young (or pay KP if that is the plan).  I'll note that so far they haven't done either.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

Bottom line, they low-balled Turner with that 3 yr/ 60 mil offer. They haven't paid into the luxury tax since 2005. This should have been an exception, I would think. Now he's going to a very much-hated rival in your division. I think he sent them a message doing this. How do you do that to a 10-year veteran who's an integral part of your team?

[DallasMaverick]

Bottom line, they low-balled Turner with that 3 yr/ 60 mil offer. They haven't paid into the luxury tax since 2005. This should have been an exception, I would think. Now he's going to a very much-hated rival in your division. I think he sent them a message doing this.  How do you do that to a 10-year veteran who's an integral part of your team?

I think they decided he wasn't worth more than that, especially after his very average playoff performance.

Rather than overpay, and tie their hands with a bloated contract for several years, they were willing to let him walk.

I think they sent him a message by doing that.

[Mavs2021]

I´ll say something in Milwaukee´s defence.

Lillard will be 36, when he returns from the Achilles injury with an unknown sort of ability left. By that time Giannis will be 32. He´s missed games frequently over the past few seasons with minor injuries. So thath window is rapidly closing.

You know which 12 months window in the East has just opened? The Hali-Tat Tankathon Stakes.

In other words there is no overwhelming favourite in the East right now and if there is another chance for the Bucks to compete it is this year. Are there about 7-8 teams in the Least that legitimately feel they can win it next season and the Bucks are likely one of them.

[SleepingHero]

I´ll say something in Milwaukee´s defence.

Lillard will be 36, when he returns from the Achilles injury with an unknown sort of ability left. By that time Giannis will be 32. He´s missed games frequently over the past few seasons with minor injuries. So thath window is rapidly closing.

You know which 12 months window in the East has just opened? The Hali-Tat Tankathon Stakes.

In other words there is no overwhelming favourite in the East right now and if there is another chance for the Bucks to compete it is this year. Are there about 7-8 teams in the Least that legitimately feel they can win it next season and the Bucks are likely one of them.

Absolutely.

But to eat 23mil of dead space a year, for FIVE years, is insanity. I don't think a team has ever carried that much debt ever. And I'm not sure how they can really build a competitive team moving forward with a 85% handicap and hardcaps existing. 

Is that really worth it?