Trade & FA 2024-25:

[mvossman]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_...eams#tier2


I don't know what the problem is; it's working for me.

Are you not an ESPN insider?  It lets us get a few paragraphs in, but that's it.  Can you provide a quick summary?

[Smitty]

Bleacher Report posted this:

Mavericks receive: Kelly Olynyk
Raptors receive: Kleber, Hardy, '25 SRP (via DEN or PHI)

[Smitty]

The Mavs have the third-best odds to land Myles Turner if the Pacers trade him, per @BovadaOfficial.

Los Angeles Lakers -120
Sacramento Kings +325
Dallas Mavericks +600
Golden State Warriors +600
Miami Heat +650

[Smitty]

The Kings and Jazz are engaged in serious trade talks centered around John Collins, per @BrettSiegelNBA

[Chicagojk]

Bleacher Report posted this:

Mavericks receive: Kelly Olynyk
Raptors receive: Kleber, Hardy, '25 SRP (via DEN or PHI)

That is an interesting one.   Toronto is a tough team to figure out what they will do.  They have made some strange moves.   They have been playing better lately.

Kleber would just be a contract for them.   Is the upside of Hardy and a high second enough?  They already have a young scoring guard in Walker.   

Would Dallas do it?   Can Olynk play PF?   

It is an interesting trade because that is probably a pretty solid haul for Olynyk.  Other teams may beat that with multiple seconds but the Philly second has a chance to be a top 45 pick...maybe higher.

[mvossman]

Bleacher Report posted this:

Mavericks receive: Kelly Olynyk
Raptors receive: Kleber, Hardy, '25 SRP (via DEN or PHI)

That makes it a lot harder to pay for Grimes and stay under the first apron.  

At this point I would rather simply dump Maxi contract to pay for Grimes and go with draft and small moves in offseason.  This FO has been so good recently with getting a lot with very little in the offseason, I don't see any reason to hamper it.

[mvossman]

The Mavs have the third-best odds to land Myles Turner if the Pacers trade him, per @BovadaOfficial.

Los Angeles Lakers -120
Sacramento Kings +325
Dallas Mavericks +600
Golden State Warriors +600
Miami Heat +650

Not sure how that makes any sense?

[HoosierDaddyKid]

You pay for Espn insider, that's why. 

Which, I get why you'd be reluctant to copy paste paid content here (we shouldn't, so you've made the right choice) but I don't think anyone else here is a subscriber (maybe RoyTarpleysGhost), so those particular links aren't really helpful. 

Can you summarize the idea?

I mean, I paid for it, and I'm willing to share it, is that a problem?  ESPN Insider has some interesting articles, and I thought it would be cool to share them with you guys. I can stop if nobody wants or gets anything from it.

[DallasMaverick]

Not sure how that makes any sense?

Odds, as reported by Myles Turner's agent.

[DallasMaverick]

His numbers have dipped pretty substantially this year.   17 million and a team option the following year.  He has previously been a really nice bench scorer.   It would be interesting to see how the Mavs compare him to Jordan Clarkson.  

Not sure why his play has fallen this year.  At only 32, he should have a few good years left.   Could be a buy low candidate for some team.  At 17 million you really have to be sure though.

Tim Hardaway wannabe.

[KillerLeft]

I mean, I paid for it, and I'm willing to share it, is that a problem?  ESPN Insider has some interesting articles, and I thought it would be cool to share them with you guys. I can stop if nobody wants or gets anything from it.

I’m just pointing out that no one here can click on your link and read the articles.

It’s bad practice to copy and paste the text of the articles, so I am happy you have not done so as it is against our community policy.

But, because of the two points above, you might consider a brief summary of what you find to be relevant when posting. Otherwise, he deserve absolutely no consequence to 99% of the people here because we cannot click on the link you’re providing and read anything.

But, because of the two points above, you might consider a brief summary of what you find to be relevant when posting. Otherwise, the posts are of no consequence to 99% of the people here because we cannot click on the link you’re providing and read anything. 

This is all pretty easy to follow, in my opinion. Just a suggestion, however.

[F Gump]

Bleacher Report posted this:

Mavericks receive: Kelly Olynyk
Raptors receive: Kleber, Hardy, '25 SRP (via DEN or PHI)

OLYNYK. Olynyk is a mediocre backup-level guy (only used about 15 mpg on a really bad team). Not a good defender. Not a rim protector. Can make 3s but doesn't take a lot of them. Meh rebounder for a big. He is paid more salary than Maxi (and more salary this season than Maxi + Hardy). TOR would likely give him to you, if they could. 

MAXI. The fact that Maxi can't give them minutes this season would be no biggie for TOR, and they may get a tradable player for later since Maxi is the rare big that can defend the perimeter.

HARDY. The best value in the deal is Hardy. By far. And he has the potential to be better next season.

ANALYSIS. Players. Mavs would be offering Hardy PLUS salary savings both this season and next (in Olynyk vs Maxi), and on that swap of players I think TOR comes out well ahead. Pick. So I would ask for a future SRP (rather than pay one). Overall. I am not excited about the deal, so if they said no I wouldn't beg, but I can see reason to do it and hope it helps. Olynk is playable to some extent, because he's a big who can hit a shot for you, although he is NOT the player you really are looking for because he is not a good defender in any way that will help.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

I’m just pointing out that no one here can click on your link and read the articles.

It’s bad practice to copy and paste the text of the articles, so I am happy you have not done so as it is against our community policy.

But, because of the two points above, you might consider a brief summary of what you find to be relevant when posting. Otherwise, he deserve absolutely no consequence to 99% of the people here because we cannot click on the link you’re providing and read anything.

But, because of the two points above, you might consider a brief summary of what you find to be relevant when posting. Otherwise, the posts are of no consequence to 99% of the people here because we cannot click on the link you’re providing and read anything. 

This is all pretty easy to follow, in my opinion. Just a suggestion, however.

No problem. I didn't know it was against policy to post articles from other sources, yet I see copy/paste articles on here all the time, like from Hoopshype and other publications. It's all good, though.

[Smitty]

I’m just pointing out that no one here can click on your link and read the articles.

It’s bad practice to copy and paste the text of the articles, so I am happy you have not done so as it is against our community policy.

But, because of the two points above, you might consider a brief summary of what you find to be relevant when posting. Otherwise, he deserve absolutely no consequence to 99% of the people here because we cannot click on the link you’re providing and read anything.

But, because of the two points above, you might consider a brief summary of what you find to be relevant when posting. Otherwise, the posts are of no consequence to 99% of the people here because we cannot click on the link you’re providing and read anything. 

This is all pretty easy to follow, in my opinion. Just a suggestion, however.

I was able to click on the article and read it and I don’t pay for any services. I’ve already shared the meh trade proposal of Exum for Javonte Green.

[Smitty]

OLYNYK. Olynyk is a mediocre backup-level guy (only used about 15 mpg on a really bad team). Not a good defender. Not a rim protector. Can make 3s but doesn't take a lot of them. Meh rebounder for a big. He is paid more salary than Maxi (and more salary this season than Maxi + Hardy). TOR would likely give him to you, if they could. 

MAXI. The fact that Maxi can't give them minutes this season would be no biggie for TOR, and they may get a tradable player for later since Maxi is the rare big that can defend the perimeter.

HARDY. The best value in the deal is Hardy. By far. And he has the potential to be better next season.

ANALYSIS. Players. Mavs would be offering Hardy PLUS salary savings both this season and next (in Olynyk vs Maxi), and on that swap of players I think TOR comes out well ahead. Pick. So I would ask for a future SRP (rather than pay one). Overall. I am not excited about the deal, so if they said no I wouldn't beg, but I can see reason to do it and hope it helps. Olynk is playable to some extent, because he's a big who can hit a shot for you, although he is NOT the player you really are looking for because he is not a good defender in any way that will help.

Even as someone that isn’t high on Maxi or Hardy moving forward, I share your opinion. Feels like a move to make a move. I personally would rather stand pat if this is the best you can get for those two and a quality SRP.

[Chicagojk]

OLYNYK. Olynyk is a mediocre backup-level guy (only used about 15 mpg on a really bad team). Not a good defender. Not a rim protector. Can make 3s but doesn't take a lot of them. Meh rebounder for a big. He is paid more salary than Maxi (and more salary this season than Maxi + Hardy). TOR would likely give him to you, if they could. 

MAXI. The fact that Maxi can't give them minutes this season would be no biggie for TOR, and they may get a tradable player for later since Maxi is the rare big that can defend the perimeter.

HARDY. The best value in the deal is Hardy. By far. And he has the potential to be better next season.

ANALYSIS. Players. Mavs would be offering Hardy PLUS salary savings both this season and next (in Olynyk vs Maxi), and on that swap of players I think TOR comes out well ahead. Pick. So I would ask for a future SRP (rather than pay one). Overall. I am not excited about the deal, so if they said no I wouldn't beg, but I can see reason to do it and hope it helps. Olynk is playable to some extent, because he's a big who can hit a shot for you, although he is NOT the player you really are looking for because he is not a good defender in any way that will help.

I am sort of a fan.   I am no expert on his game though.   My main concern is can he play some backup PF.   I think he is a guy who is probably better on a good team.   He is pretty skilled, smart and good size.   I just wound't have interest if he was strickly a Center in our defense.    I would also need to think if I would do the deal as discussed.

Not too many highlight of him.  Here is some from last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMNEG-Xk4Y&t=169s

[Smitty]

Not sure how that makes any sense?

I don’t see the angle either. Other than Turner being in trade rumors every year and the Mavs having had interest in the past. Gafford would surely be part of any hypothetical trade, imo.

[michaeltex]

I think Gafford's play in 2025 has moved him into the "don't trade" category, at least for the rest of this season.

Unless it's for Wemby or Holmgren. But I worry about a "Ralph Sampson" career for both, initial league impact, then All Star level good for a few years, then breaking down physically.

A little concern about that for our boy DLive, as well. TBH.

[SleepingHero]

PASS.

I wouldn't even want him for Maxi-Hardy. He's just not worth having anymore, his 17M contract is a cap killer for next year (which is even more of a problem with hard caps), and I don't see minutes to give him. Hardy is more valuable, vastly less expensive, and next year will be getting better rather than worse.

For anyone who thinks it's a plus to get off of Maxi's contract for BB, you just turned an 11M "problem" into a 17M problem. I'd rather have a "what-if" veteran who we aren't sure is dependable with Maxi - because it's such an area of need - 1000 times more than a what-if with BB.

Those are all valid concerns, but Bogi when healthy is a great combo guard off the bench. Further Bogi has a 17mil team option for next year so it’s a potential get out of jail free card and frees up some space. His contract number is a good one to pair with other guys to get a bigger name as well. Lots of avenues.

Of course it’s all moot, as the only package I’d be remotely interested in sending doesn’t work financially. 

One trade I saw was from Bleacher Report if all places and its Maxi+Hardy+PHI 2nd for Kelly Olynyk. That one works and is much more intriguing. I think Dan also floated that idea a month ago.

[Mavs2021]

Not sure how that makes any sense?

Turner only makes 20M. That´s an easy match for Gafford/Kleber. Carlisle might value Kleber more than the rest of the league. Turner turns 29 in two months. Gafford 26. Problem is how much Turner wants in future money and whether his different playing style would suit the Mavs lob offense. Since Turner is expiring it might not even cost us much.