Trade & FA 2024-25:

[WillE]

Davion Mitchell is a nice minimum target as a defensive specialist for spot minutes, if the Raptors waive his RFA status.

He.may be an upgrade over Gortman and Williams, but he would need a full roster spot. So we'd have to get rid of the former two because they won't see any minutes, if he would comes.

So I don't see this much action for so little relevance happening...

[Mavs2021]

He.may be an upgrade over Gortman and Williams, but he would need a full roster spot. So we'd have to get rid of the former two because they won't see any minutes, if he would comes.

So I don't see this much action for so little relevance happening...

That´s a summer move, when we hopefully don´t extend Powell, Morris, Dinwiddie and trade Kleber.

[WillE]

That´s a summer move, when we hopefully don´t extend Powell, Morris, Dinwiddie and trade Kleber.

Agree, but not about the players.

DP and Morris are non factors on the court, but they gave the later a contract anyway. So I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of them back next season.

Dinwidde is great great value for the money this season. Mitchell gets almost double of him. Next season, Din might find more money elsewhere, but I assume his market is limited so I guess we have decent chances on picking him up again on good value. I'd take him on a team friendly deal in a heartbeat every time over Mitchell.

If Klebers contract can generate some value, then so be it. But otherwise I'd hold on to him until he either shows up again or next season's tdl - whatever comes first.

[Chicagojk]

Agree, but not about the players.

DP and Morris are non factors on the court, but they gave the later a contract anyway. So I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of them back next season.

Dinwidde is great great value for the money this season. Mitchell gets almost double of him. Next season, Din might find more money elsewhere, but I assume his market is limited so I guess we have decent chances on picking him up again on good value. I'd take him on a team friendly deal in a heartbeat every time over Mitchell.

If Klebers contract can generate some value, then so be it. But otherwise I'd hold on to him until he either shows up again or next season's tdl - whatever comes first.

I do think our first and Kleber will be pushed pretty hard this summer.  I am just not sure how big of a prize you get with that package.    I am not even sure what type of players fit that salary slot.   

Dinwiddie's next contract will be interesting.  He is not always a favorite of mine, but he has clearly outperformed a minimum contract.   Not sure what type of offers he gets next year though.   Probably more than the minimum again but less than the MLE.    Sometimes you get pigeonholed in a certain salary range and you are left without much bargaining room.

[WillE]

I do think our first and Kleber will be pushed pretty hard this summer.  I am just not sure how big of a prize you get with that package.    I am not even sure what type of players fit that salary slot.   

Dinwiddie's next contract will be interesting.  He is not always a favorite of mine, but he has clearly outperformed a minimum contract.   Not sure what type of offers he gets next year though.   Probably more than the minimum again but less than the MLE.    Sometimes you get pigeonholed in a certain salary range and you are left without much bargaining room.

Kleber should only be interesting to contenders. So if he can show up again this season and enlight some hope that he'll get back to his former self, then this could actually move the needle, yes. Question remains then, what could come back in return.

Din is sure aware of this and thats probably also a good reason for his improved showings lately. He's basically playing for his next contract not to be stuck in nowheresland.

[Smitty]

These are the names I’d keep an eye on:

Avdija 15.6M
DFS 14.9M
B. Portis 12.6M
Thybulle 11.0M

Nico keeps after his targets. These guys still fill a perceived need, and their current salary makes a trade more manageable.

Things sure can change in one month... Following up on this, I think Deni Avdija is an unrealistic target this year. DFS is a Laker, so mark him off the list. I'd like to lay out what a Thybulle trade could look like and how it makes sense for both teams.

Mavs trade: Maxi + Hardy + '25 SRP (via PHI)
POR trade: Thybulle + Reath + '27 SRP (via MIN)

For this year the financials are an exact match and have no impact for either team. But next year the difference is at minimum $3.2M in savings for the Mavs. Thybulle has a Player Option of $11.5M. In this trade scenario I could see a future that has Nico deciding between Thybulle or Grimes in the offseason. Every dollar counts.

For draft picks. The Mavs hold on to their first-round picks but give up a high SRP this year in a loaded draft but add to their depleted pick pile in '27, where Portland currently holds 2 second rounders. I see no scenario where Nico keeps both picks this draft and selects a player(s). At least one will move.

Why POR does it. They get a young player (Hardy) on a reasonable deal, expiring contract and solid vet, plus a high SRP in a loaded draft. All for players that aren't part of their future.

What is means for the Mavs on the court this year. The Mavs have to operate like there is no Maxi or Lively the rest of the year. With that, getting an all-NBA type defender in Thybulle is a nice tool to have in the toolbelt. His addition allows for PJ to spend less time guarding down and just adds to the position flexibility Nico and Kidd are looking for. Reath is a solid center option for what the Mavs can afford to acquire. He won't be a game changer or anything but a 6'11 Big that shoots 35% from three on 3 attempts per game is actually more "stretch big" than Maxi.

Kyrie | Dinwiddie 
Grimes | Thybulle
Klay | Naji
PJW | Omax
Gafford | Reath

OUT: Luka, Exum, Lively, Powell


I think the trade makes sense in the short term, long term, and with a healthy 15-man roster. Thoughts?

[SleepingHero]

Evan Sidery (@esidery)
Matas Buzelis is the only player the Bulls would not be open to trading, per @JCowleyHoops (https://t.co/m2leD4JJNb).

Chicago finally appears ready to embrace beginning a full-scale rebuild.

[F Gump]

Thybulle hasn't played a minute all season. His return date is unknown. His issues are leg/knee related, which casts doubt on whether he will be the same player when he returns. Reath is a scrub who only plays in garbage time, and isn't a serious solution to Mavs needs.

Pass.

[Smitty]

Thybulle hasn't played a minute all season. His return date is unknown. His issues are leg/knee related, which casts doubt on whether he will be the same player when he returns. Reath is a scrub who only plays in garbage time, and isn't a serious solution to Mavs needs.

Pass.

Appreciate the feedback. I agree that we don't know if he'll be the same player. A knee issue months ago followed by an ankle injury. Not ideal. Still, it's a pretty low risk move with other benefits. I think it really comes down to how you view Maxi and Hardy. My opinion of them is obviously pretty low - I've always been a fan of Thybulle.

[myconsumerclub]

If there are trades out there worth doing? I am not seeing any realistic options being mentioned to make me have any hope. I know we have a great front office now and I should have more faith in them but the teams health is a major bummer right now and everyone is wanting to think of a way to fix the team fast. That is one type of problem where your best option is tanking because you get rewarded for your patience at a time when patience is the best option since you do not over react and make a bad trade.

Next Thursday is the TDL so lets start the countdown.

Will Kylo Ren make the Mavs a part of the Star Wars franchise? Are we going to all of a sudden start speaking Wookie?

Let it be known the I told you so. I hate to say it but I voiced my displeasure in having both Maxi and Dwight still on the roster and it was something you guys made me feel bad about so you forced me into liking them being here still. Now your bad advice has the team falling out of the play offs. That is what you get when you bet on old injured guys.

We now have a need for a big and even having Morris on the team is an epic failure since he is firmly planted on the bench and kept us from developing a 3rd center that we could have slid into the role we have a need to fill.

Why the heck do you do this to yourself mavs? Damn this whole problem was avoidable all you had to do was grab another center in the offseason to play the odds a little bit better. You could have snagged Yabusele as well when he was available and he is showing value in Philly.

Hopefully the ex Laker yopu signed can come in and show us something.

We should soon have a roster with Ky Klay Din Grimes Hardy Naji PJ Gafford Kessler Kylor Morris and Williams

Starters
Ky
Klay
Din
Gafford
PJ

Second Team:
Naji
Grimes
Hardy
Kylor
Omax

Bench:
Williams
Kessler
Morris

Kylor with 29.6 mpg
is 141st in Scoring in the G league
26th in rebounding
3rd in blocks so we can hope he will play at that level and see if he can give us some defensive help.

Jamarian Sharp with 19.2 mpg
is 4th in blocks but he got a lot less PT. his scoring is also crap at 4.6 ppg but he rebounded 7 rpg playing 10 minutes less

Conclusion: we should probably try harder to find other options at center long term.

[mvossman]

Things sure can change in one month... Following up on this, I think Deni Avdija is an unrealistic target this year. DFS is a Laker, so mark him off the list. I'd like to lay out what a Thybulle trade could look like and how it makes sense for both teams.

Mavs trade: Maxi + Hardy + '25 SRP (via PHI)
POR trade: Thybulle + Reath + '27 SRP (via MIN)

For this year the financials are an exact match and have no impact for either team. But next year the difference is at minimum $3.2M in savings for the Mavs. Thybulle has a Player Option of $11.5M. In this trade scenario I could see a future that has Nico deciding between Thybulle or Grimes in the offseason. Every dollar counts.

For draft picks. The Mavs hold on to their first-round picks but give up a high SRP this year in a loaded draft but add to their depleted pick pile in '27, where Portland currently holds 2 second rounders. I see no scenario where Nico keeps both picks this draft and selects a player(s). At least one will move.

Why POR does it. They get a young player (Hardy) on a reasonable deal, expiring contract and solid vet, plus a high SRP in a loaded draft. All for players that aren't part of their future.

What is means for the Mavs on the court this year. The Mavs have to operate like there is no Maxi or Lively the rest of the year. With that, getting an all-NBA type defender in Thybulle is a nice tool to have in the toolbelt. His addition allows for PJ to spend less time guarding down and just adds to the position flexibility Nico and Kidd are looking for. Reath is a solid center option for what the Mavs can afford to acquire. He won't be a game changer or anything but a 6'11 Big that shoots 35% from three on 3 attempts per game is actually more "stretch big" than Maxi.

Kyrie | Dinwiddie 
Grimes | Thybulle
Klay | Naji
PJW | Omax
Gafford | Reath

OUT: Luka, Exum, Lively, Powell


I think the trade makes sense in the short term, long term, and with a healthy 15-man roster. Thoughts?

In the long term I would rather have Grimes than Thybulle.  Its hard to see the minutes work with both of them, so I kind of feel like its one or the other.  If you don't think you can hang onto Grimes, then he should be in a package for a legit two way player instead of a defensive specialist.

[Chicagojk]

So with the Wizards tonight I was looking for any Wizards trade. Supposedly Poole has played well today and could be an asset in a trade. Doesn’t work in Dallas though.

Not much there. I have been as wrong as can be on Marvin Bagley. A bagley for maxi and Morris trade works. Bagley is so clueless on defense that I just can’t do that.

Nothing else really Interests me with Washington.

[Smitty]

In the long term I would rather have Grimes than Thybulle.  Its hard to see the minutes work with both of them, so I kind of feel like its one or the other.  If you don't think you can hang onto Grimes, then he should be in a package for a legit two way player instead of a defensive specialist.

I agree. I'd much rather have Grimes also and think the Mavs need to keep him long term. I can see the FO thinking they can never have enough wing defenders and wanting both. This specific move just offers some more flexibility really, a bit of insurance if Grimes' number gets too high for some reason. But for me, give me both and I'll figure out the playing time when it comes.

[Mavs2021]

In the long term I would rather have Grimes than Thybulle.  Its hard to see the minutes work with both of them, so I kind of feel like its one or the other.  If you don't think you can hang onto Grimes, then he should be in a package for a legit two way player instead of a defensive specialist.

I always wanted a Simons + Camara package, when trying to fantasy trade with Portland, not Thybulle. Camara might turn out to be the better pick at #52 than Henderson at #3.

We still have more need offensively than defensively, but maybe that´s just the ineptitude of Kidd that Dinwiddie and Marshall takes as many threes at 32% as Hardy/Grimes do at 40% shooting.

[SleepingHero]

Things sure can change in one month... Following up on this, I think Deni Avdija is an unrealistic target this year. DFS is a Laker, so mark him off the list. I'd like to lay out what a Thybulle trade could look like and how it makes sense for both teams.

Mavs trade: Maxi + Hardy + '25 SRP (via PHI)
POR trade: Thybulle + Reath + '27 SRP (via MIN)

For this year the financials are an exact match and have no impact for either team. But next year the difference is at minimum $3.2M in savings for the Mavs. Thybulle has a Player Option of $11.5M. In this trade scenario I could see a future that has Nico deciding between Thybulle or Grimes in the offseason. Every dollar counts.

For draft picks. The Mavs hold on to their first-round picks but give up a high SRP this year in a loaded draft but add to their depleted pick pile in '27, where Portland currently holds 2 second rounders. I see no scenario where Nico keeps both picks this draft and selects a player(s). At least one will move.

Why POR does it. They get a young player (Hardy) on a reasonable deal, expiring contract and solid vet, plus a high SRP in a loaded draft. All for players that aren't part of their future.

What is means for the Mavs on the court this year. The Mavs have to operate like there is no Maxi or Lively the rest of the year. With that, getting an all-NBA type defender in Thybulle is a nice tool to have in the toolbelt. His addition allows for PJ to spend less time guarding down and just adds to the position flexibility Nico and Kidd are looking for. Reath is a solid center option for what the Mavs can afford to acquire. He won't be a game changer or anything but a 6'11 Big that shoots 35% from three on 3 attempts per game is actually more "stretch big" than Maxi.

Kyrie | Dinwiddie 
Grimes | Thybulle
Klay | Naji
PJW | Omax
Gafford | Reath

OUT: Luka, Exum, Lively, Powell


I think the trade makes sense in the short term, long term, and with a healthy 15-man roster. Thoughts?

I think this is a rational, well-thought out trade that makes sense on paper. Especially since both teams appear to be swapping “injury problem” dudes. Thybulle has been a major disappointment in Portland. Partly due to their want to tank and partly due to his inability to  stay healthy. Either way, Thybulle is still one of the premier defenders in the league that can’t really shoot. One dimensional guys that are on a larger contract that they aren’t worth don’t go for much. Phoenix jettisoned Okogie. Cavs tried to get rid of Okoro. 

Reath is a whatever hustle guy that isn’t very good but is a warm body and hustles. Hardy is by far and away the best player in this deal which makes me question why the Mavs are the one adding draft compensation. Is 3.2 mil of savings worth a high 2nd round pick and a good young player? 

I don’t think so. Further, this trade doesn’t really solve any immediate injury problems given the main piece of the trade, Thybulle, isn’t even ready to play yet. Reath does provide some aid since we’re down 3 centers, but again I come back to the question; is that really worth Hardy+2nd? 

It hurts to type because I love Thybulle and think he’d be great here but I just don’t really see the angle.

[Smitty]

I think this is a rational, well-thought out trade that makes sense on paper. Especially since both teams appear to be swapping “injury problem” dudes. Thybulle has been a major disappointment in Portland. Partly due to their want to tank and partly due to his inability to  stay healthy. Either way, Thybulle is still one of the premier defenders in the league that can’t really shoot. One dimensional guys that are on a larger contract that they aren’t worth don’t go for much. Phoenix jettisoned Okogie. Cavs tried to get rid of Okoro. 

Reath is a whatever hustle guy that isn’t very good but is a warm body and hustles. Hardy is by far and away the best player in this deal which makes me question why the Mavs are the one adding draft compensation. Is 3.2 mil of savings worth a high 2nd round pick and a good young player? 

I don’t think so. Further, this trade doesn’t really solve any immediate injury problems given the main piece of the trade, Thybulle, isn’t even ready to play yet. Reath does provide some aid since we’re down 3 centers, but again I come back to the question; is that really worth Hardy+2nd? 

It hurts to type because I love Thybulle and think he’d be great here but I just don’t really see the angle.

The Mavs are trading a SRP this year but adding one to '27, where they currently have no picks. A Nico staple at this point.

I've read some people say the Mavs even have 2 SRP's in this year's draft. No way they select 2 players, much less 3. It's a pick for a future pick, with some roster flexibility.

[SleepingHero]

The Mavs are trading a SRP this year but adding one to '27, where they currently have no picks. A Nico staple at this point.

I've read some people say the Mavs even have 2 SRP's in this year's draft. No way they select 2 players, much less 3. It's a pick for a future pick, with some roster flexibility.

My bad, I didn’t see your 2nd round pick swaps essentially. That does ease up on the value differential imo.

Still, Hardy is the best guy in the trade. He’s better than Thybulle 1 for 1 if he was healthy. Maxi arguably is also a more intriguing asset than Thybulle if he was healthy too. 

It’s easier to rationalize this deal if Thybulle was healthy and playing this season, but that’s another hurdle to overcome as well.

[mvossman]

I agree. I'd much rather have Grimes also and think the Mavs need to keep him long term. I can see the FO thinking they can never have enough wing defenders and wanting both. This specific move just offers some more flexibility really, a bit of insurance if Grimes' number gets too high for some reason. But for me, give me both and I'll figure out the playing time when it comes.

I think you can have too many when they all cost over 11 mil.

[SleepingHero]

@esidery
The Bulls are open to taking on Bradley Beal’s contract, but it would potentially require three first-round picks to make it happen.

Keep an eye not only on the Suns’ picks acquired from the Jazz being traded, but also the Bucks’ 2031 1st if they get involved for Zach LaVine.

[SleepingHero]

@esidery
The Bulls are open to taking on Bradley Beal’s contract, but it would potentially require three first-round picks to make it happen.

Keep an eye not only on the Suns’ picks acquired from the Jazz being traded, but also the Bucks’ 2031 1st if they get involved for Zach LaVine.

The question isn’t whether the bulls would take Beal. It’s whether Beal would waive his NTC to go to Chicago.

I get the Billy Donovan connection, but is that a strong enough tie to willingly go to a tanking team and leave the best team Beal has ever been on?