Trade & FA 2024-25:

[Mavs2021]

I would not trade for Butler, if I was Houston. Butler is 35 years old, averaging 19/5/5, making nearly $50M and you´d have to trade at least three players to get him.

Look at the standings. It´s all young stars/teams at the top. Luckily the Mavs have no logical ways to get into this mess.

[Jym]

You'd think we would be able to get someone interesting using some combo of Maxi, Omax, our 2025 1st rounder, and the Philly 2nd rounder
I feel like the 2031 should stay off limits. Maybe if we're getting a long term starter at SF but that doesn't seem realistic

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

You'd think we would be able to get someone interesting using some combo of Maxi, Omax, our 2025 1st rounder, and the Philly 2nd rounder
I feel like the 2031 should stay off limits. Maybe if we're getting a long term starter at SF but that doesn't seem realistic

Hard to make the numbers work as we don’t have many contracts. I’d say Avdija is one of the few that would work, but I doubt Portland would give up on him so early. And he isn’t a great floor spacer. They would have to love OmAx and having extra picks in this draft…

[michaeltex]

I'm thinking ride with the team we have for this season and see how it goes. If When Klay comes around and adds to what Marshall/Grimes bring, DAL should be a very scary team come playoff time.

2025 is supposed to have a deep NBA draft so hanging on to the pick and packaging it with a trade after the season might work out better.

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

I agree, and in a more general sense, I'm not sure they really need to think about trading anyone for anything at the moment. I might feel differently by the trade deadline, but for now, this roster feels pretty complete to me. There are obviously upgrades out there, but maybe not names that are available, and I'd be hesitant to sacrifice the salary structure and depth they have set up right now for only a marginal upgrade in one area.

Ya I can't imagine anything happening to this roster because it's completeness but also because next season will be very easy to put together a very strong package depending on what happens this offseason.  I assume we'll see Luka extend and Kyrie opt out and resign (hopefully to a lower number but with the years he wants) and then you have 40M of expiring between Maxi/PJ/Gafford to either extend or trade or eventually lose for nothing.  PJ will be prioritized and it seems like Maxi will be the one shopped the heaviest.  I have a feeling people are going to be disappointed when Gafford rumors start up next year because Gafford will expire the same offseason Lively is up for an extension and there's no way we can afford both once Lively is off his rookie deal.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Nico seems very active on draft nights and not making any move now helps position us to be very aggressive on draft night.  We have our own 1st, 2 seconds and OMax that you can work with and find ways to move up to find a name you like.  I think with how close we are to the second apron that prioritizing finding a contributor on a rookie contract may be something they're considering moving forward.

[F Gump]

OMax and Maxi for Obi works.

Nope. It's about 2M short in outgoing from the Mavs.

Not sure Obi's really the right player anyhow - they would want a 3&D player, and his 3 is 30% and his reputation in NY was that he's a no-defense type. (I don't know if that changed in Indy.) Minutes might also be an issue, as he's neither a 5 or a 3, and PJW is your starting 4 who will get the vast majority of the minutes for the 4. IMO the no-defense issue would be the biggest deal killer.

Ideally Omax would be the very solution, filling in some of the 2nd string minutes as he develops, and offering D and some 3s, except for the fact he sux in about every way and doesn't look like he's improving.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Houston makes sense.   Although they have gotten off to a hot start they may want to let this play out more.   Miami clearly needs a reset.  They are stuck in no mans land with an older, expiring contract Jimmy Butler.    Houston has indicated they want to be aggressive and they have plenty of assets.  I have no idea what the asking price would be.   Or if it would be the best move for Houston long term.  They have so many assets though, that they are in good/great position regardless. 

Jalen Green and Jabari?  That seems like quite a lot but both could be redundant especially if the consider Thompson and Eason are untouchable.    Green, Whitmore and a pick?    I don't think Miami would go for a pick heavy offer imo.   

This would allow Miami to reset.  Make everyone besides Bam available and try to do a 1-2 year quick rebuild.   I would assume you could get more if Butler agreed to an extension with Houston.   Houston gets a killer but one who has shown some wear and tear the last few years.  

I saw a report teams are monitoring De'Aron Fox in Sacramento after their slow start.  That could be interesting if things don't turn around by the trade deadline.   My guess though is he will be there for at least another year.   Sacramento thought their team would be better.  So far they haven't been.

I hate that they will hold on to Eason.  IMO, he'd be our ideal SF for many years to come.

Green is kinda redundant to Herro.

I can see a package surrounding Brooks, Whitmore, and Jabari as working for both teams (Brooks, Jabari, Whitmore, Adams, FRP).

HOU:
FVV, Amen, Holiday
Green, Sheppard
Jimmy, Whitmore
Eason, Green
Sengun, Landale

MIA:
Terry, Burks
Herro , Whitmore
Brooks, Jacquez, Robinson
Jabari, Highsmith, Jokic, Love
Bam, Adams

[mvossman]

You'd think we would be able to get someone interesting using some combo of Maxi, Omax, our 2025 1st rounder, and the Philly 2nd rounder
I feel like the 2031 should stay off limits. Maybe if we're getting a long term starter at SF but that doesn't seem realistic

We already have two great candidates for that role in Naji and Grimes.

[Scott41theMavs]

We already have two great candidates for that role in Naji and Grimes.

At some point in his extension, Kyrie is going to age out of starting. Then Grimes can take his rightful place as the SG next to Luka. Naji is the three.

[Scott41theMavs]

If you told me you were from the future and you KNEW the Mavs were going to make a trade this season, I'd guess that it was about the future cap more than the current roster. Kyrie has a player option this summer - he's going to get paid. They have the Grimes thing to deal with this summer, also. Gafford, Kleber and PJW all have contractual question marks coming in the near future, and all of this lives in the shadow of the coming Luka contract extension, which will be CRAZY.

I just hope they hold on until next summer. This is a contending team if they just avoid the temptation to screw with the 8-man rotation.

[F Gump]

@nationmffl

"Within league circles, there’s been quiet discourse about whether the Houston Rockets or Dallas Mavericks will eventually land Butler, a Texas native, should he and Miami decide to part ways."

- Michael Scotto on Jimmy Butler's future

The more I think about this and what it would take (and its impact), I think it's totally made-up BS-ery. There's no way this is even remotely true about the Mavs, on so many levels.

PS - So I hate the thread title, which actively seeks to promote such fiction.

[SleepingHero]

The more I think about this and what it would take (and its impact), I think it's totally made-up BS-ery. There's no way this is even remotely true about the Mavs, on so many levels.

PS - So I hate the thread title, which actively seeks to promote such fiction.

This is probably true on all counts…

But you’re telling me you didn’t at least chuckle at the thread title? It took me like 6 tries to make it fit within the character count 

[SleepingHero]

@TheDunkCentral
The New Orleans Pelicans still want to build around Zion Williamson, per @ShamsCharania


“Right now, the Pelicans have no intention of waiving Zion Williamson. Their number one objective is to get him back on the court and build the right support around him.”

[Jmaciscool]

@TheDunkCentral
The New Orleans Pelicans still want to build around Zion Williamson, per @ShamsCharania


“Right now, the Pelicans have no intention of waiving Zion Williamson. Their number one objective is to get him back on the court and build the right support around him.”

I think it's a mistake to build around Zion unless you're in the restaurant business.

[gomavs]

I agree with some others on this board that a trade at this point is likely to be more bad than good, considering team chemistry and how long it takes to integrate a new player.

I also think that Maxi Kleber is pretty much done.  He still contributes what he can when he gets minutes, but we need to be thinking ahead.  Since I don't think we should trade for a backup-4, what should we do?  This is what the 10-day contracts are for.  Who is standing out in the development league, who deserves a chance to showcase talent for us?

[SleepingHero]

I agree with some others on this board that a trade at this point is likely to be more bad than good, considering team chemistry and how long it takes to integrate a new player.

I also think that Maxi Kleber is pretty much done.  He still contributes what he can when he gets minutes, but we need to be thinking ahead.  Since I don't think we should trade for a backup-4, what should we do?  This is what the 10-day contracts are for.  Who is standing out in the development league, who deserves a chance to showcase talent for us?

I thought his defensive effort this season has been bordering on irreplaceable status. Conversely, offensively he's been a dud. But is it that pressing of a need that our 2nd string PF/3rd string center is a one dimensional defensive minded guy with MAYBE an outside shot depending how he's feeling?

As for 10-day contracts, Mavs are capped at 15 already with their roster. It'd take waiving Morris to open a slot, which I don't think they're that keen on doing. BUT you didn't ask about the feasibility of the move, but guys to watch! So with that here is my list of dudes I'm interested in:

International:
Mario Hezonja- averaged 15/5/2 on Real Madrid and showed why he was a lotto pick. He isn't a star, but as a solid guy off the bench I think Hezonja would shine here. Only problem is that to buy out his contract would be expensive. Further, you're basically asking Hezonja to leave Real Madrid where he's a top 3 guy, to come play 20 mins a game here MAYBE. Unlikely.

Usman Garuba- Which is why I have my backup to my backup, Garuba. He's a defensive athletic freak that barely gets any run. On the Spanish National team he averages a cool 8/4 with 1.5 blocks and steals a game. Now he I could see being interested in an NBA comeback, and could be fine with spotty minutes. 

G-League

Emanuel Miller- Honestly shocked he didn't get one of the 2 ways spots with how he played in both Summer League and preseason. I just think the dude can flat out play. He isn't the size of Maxi, but he can guard, rebound, and score a bit. Now can he truly fill a backup 4 slot? Especially one on a hopeful finals bound team? That I am not sure. In fact, that's why I only have Miller on my G-league list, as I don't think anyone in the G-League is ready to come in and fill such a role. 

Free Agents:
Omer Urtseven- I remember Mavs2021 going head over hills for this dude. For the most part, I didn't really see it. Then I saw him play against Portland and he matched up against Deandre Ayton so well. I think he had 15 points and 16 rebounds if I remember right (which I'm probably not, but it's definitely close to those numbers). After that, I finally saw a glimpse of what he could be in the league.


Here are a few names and thoughts that I think could potentially fill Maxi's role today, to differing levels of success. BUT to each name, are any of them truly better than Maxi today and what he provides? Maybe Hezonja, but even still it's hard to replace what Maxi does. At least right now. The main dude I want to actually replace Maxi down the line is Jabari Smith Jr.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

@TheDunkCentral
The New Orleans Pelicans still want to build around Zion Williamson, per @ShamsCharania


“Right now, the Pelicans have no intention of waiving Zion Williamson. Their number one objective is to get him back on the court and build the right support around him.”

I don't believe this, but I do believe getting him back healthy so he's recovered and performing by the TDL is key.

David Griffin is terrible.  I don't know how he got such a great reputation from CLE.  I could win a championship with young Kyrie and top of form Lebron.  $133million for Zion, Ingram, CJ, and Murray????  What does it take for Benson to fire ineptitude?  Dennis Allen and Mickey Loomis were the worst HC/GM combo in the NFL.  She FINALLY fired Allen, but Loomis is still there, with rumors that he is returning.

[Scott41theMavs]

@TheDunkCentral
The New Orleans Pelicans still want to build around Zion Williamson, per @ShamsCharania


“Right now, the Pelicans have no intention of waiving Zion Williamson. Their number one objective is to get him back on the court and build the right support around him.”

This is a bluff in a futile effort to raise his market value. 29 other GMs just laughed.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

This is a bluff in a futile effort to raise his market value. 29 other GMs just laughed.

Precisely.

[gomavs]

I thought his defensive effort this season has been bordering on irreplaceable status. Conversely, offensively he's been a dud. But is it that pressing of a need that our 2nd string PF/3rd string center is a one dimensional defensive minded guy with MAYBE an outside shot depending how he's feeling?

As for 10-day contracts, Mavs are capped at 15 already with their roster. It'd take waiving Morris to open a slot, which I don't think they're that keen on doing. BUT you didn't ask about the feasibility of the move, but guys to watch! So with that here is my list of dudes I'm interested in:

International:
Mario Hezonja- averaged 15/5/2 on Real Madrid and showed why he was a lotto pick. He isn't a star, but as a solid guy off the bench I think Hezonja would shine here. Only problem is that to buy out his contract would be expensive. Further, you're basically asking Hezonja to leave Real Madrid where he's a top 3 guy, to come play 20 mins a game here MAYBE. Unlikely.

Usman Garuba- Which is why I have my backup to my backup, Garuba. He's a defensive athletic freak that barely gets any run. On the Spanish National team he averages a cool 8/4 with 1.5 blocks and steals a game. Now he I could see being interested in an NBA comeback, and could be fine with spotty minutes. 

G-League

Emanuel Miller- Honestly shocked he didn't get one of the 2 ways spots with how he played in both Summer League and preseason. I just think the dude can flat out play. He isn't the size of Maxi, but he can guard, rebound, and score a bit. Now can he truly fill a backup 4 slot? Especially one on a hopeful finals bound team? That I am not sure. In fact, that's why I only have Miller on my G-league list, as I don't think anyone in the G-League is ready to come in and fill such a role. 

Free Agents:
Omer Urtseven- I remember Mavs2021 going head over hills for this dude. For the most part, I didn't really see it. Then I saw him play against Portland and he matched up against Deandre Ayton so well. I think he had 15 points and 16 rebounds if I remember right (which I'm probably not, but it's definitely close to those numbers). After that, I finally saw a glimpse of what he could be in the league.


Here are a few names and thoughts that I think could potentially fill Maxi's role today, to differing levels of success. BUT to each name, are any of them truly better than Maxi today and what he provides? Maybe Hezonja, but even still it's hard to replace what Maxi does. At least right now. The main dude I want to actually replace Maxi down the line is Jabari Smith Jr.

Thanks for the great observations.  I tried finding a good candidate on the G-league website.  But, every time I thought I had a good one, I found out he was already on a two-way contract.