MAVS NEWS:

[mvossman]

Hard for me to see Grimes getting a bigger # than DJJ was offered.

I think its a little different situation.  I believe that was the most they could offer and still get Klay at what they wanted.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I can see Grimes get something like 4/48. Just my guess.

He can be a 3 and D player. We all know how valuable those are in today’s NBA. Neither DJJ or Hardy can really claim to be that.

I think if he can shoot 36-38% from three, he’ll be a big bargain. The question with him is the same as PJ Washington. Can he shoot those percentages?

[mvossman]

I can see Grimes get something like 4/48. Just my guess.

He can be a 3 and D player.  We all know how valuable those are in today’s NBA. Neither DJJ or Hardy can really claim to be that.

I think if he can shoot 36-38% from three, he’ll be a big bargain. The question with him is the same as PJ Washington. Can he shoot those percentages?

Is that really a question?  In his three years at NY he has shot 38, 39 and 36 percent from 3 on high volume with less spacing than he is going to have with Mavs.  His is probably more likely to finish over that range than under.

PJ is a different story.  He shot 32 last season and 35 the season before.  If he can shoot 36-38% he will be crazy valuable.

[mvossman]

Given that Grimes has once shown he could be a starter and play heavy minutes, including ranking in elite percentiles for defensive metrics, I'd give him a higher contract than Hardy.

Hardy is a fantastic scorer. Hasn't given me any sort of confidence that he can do much else at an elite level. Right now, today, I'd give Hardy an extension somewhere around 3/30. 10mil AAV. 

Should Hardy prove to have taken a step this year, that number could go higher. If he can just do one more thing well, I'd be comfortable going 4/45, 4/50 range. Which isn't that far off for what I'm wanting Grimes for at 4/60.

I just don't think you can drop 10 mil AAV for a guy that is not in your top 9 rotation.  I feel like tax MLE is the most you can spend on somebody like that.

[F Gump]

1 I'm not sure why you would be using Brunson as a comp when Green is a more recent situation, a much more similar player and basically played the role that Grimes was brought in to replace.

2 I agree with some of your concerns and I'm a little surprised Mavs are looking at this now, but I think that range is too low.  3 Grimes has already proven to be worth the MLE in the past and if he wants to bet anything on himself it won't be at 7 mil.

1 When it comes to an offer to avoid dealing with free agency, or not, I think of Brunson and how that played out.
...1a If we use Green as a comp, it's a cautionary tale about assuming a player's game value will take a jump and paying him accordingly, and then it doesn't. (That's the question on Grimes right now -- will his game value somehow take a jump, or won't it? Because if you sign him and yr 3 is who he is, even 7M is an overpay by a lot.)

2 You may be right that my idea is too low, but please don't misstate my words. I'm guessing 7-10 as the starting number. 

3 I strongly disagree that Grimes has proven anything yet. His year 2 was very good, but yr 3 was awful and not MLE level play. As that's the most recent, that's a red flag.

EDITED TO ADD - His preseason stats look like last year. 38% overall, 25% on 3s, quite dreadful. Not a good sign. I wonder what the Mavs are seeing that has made them want to talk a deal -- or are they just seeing what his demands are, to get a feel for next summer? Trying to get a feel for whether there's a number available that's worth gambling on? I do think he could end up trade fodder during the season, if they think his summer 2025 demands will be quite unrealistic compared to his actual play that it's not worth it.

[mvossman]

1 When it comes to an offer to avoid dealing with free agency, or not, I think of Brunson and how that played out.
...1a If we use Green as a comp, it's a cautionary tale about assuming a player's game value will take a jump and paying him accordingly, and then it doesn't. (That's the question on Grimes right now -- will his game value somehow take a jump, or won't it? Because if you sign him and yr 3 is who he is, even 7M is an overpay by a lot.)

2 You may be right that my idea is too low, but please don't misstate my words. I'm guessing 7-10 as the starting number. 

3 I strongly disagree that Grimes has proven anything yet. His year 2 was very good, but yr 3 was awful and not MLE level play. As that's the most recent, that's a red flag.

Is Green a cautionary tale?  Didn't he turn out to be a small but positive asset in that trade?

I'm not sure how you can say Grimes hasn't proven anything yet.  In his second year at age 22 he was a quality starter on a playoff team.  That's more than we could ever say about Green.  If he had continued that trajectory he would be looking for a lot more than anybody is discussing.  His third year (which is not nearly as bad as you are making it out to be) is the only reason there is a possibility he gets less than MLE.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Is that really a question?  In his three years at NY he has shot 38, 39 and 36 percent from 3 on high volume with less spacing than he is going to have with Mavs.  His is probably more likely to finish over that range than under.

PJ is a different story.  He shot 32 last season and 35 the season before.  If he can shoot 36-38% he will be crazy valuable.

Grimes shot 33.8% from three last season.  That's why the Mavs got him so cheap.  His stock is at an all time low.

If he was such a sure thing…he’d be starting and making $20 million a year.

And I’m the #1 Grimes fan on the forum. I’d totally take a shot on him for ~$12 mil a year.

[mvossman]

Grimes shot 33.8% from three last season.  That's why the Mavs got him so cheap.  His stock is at an all time low.

If he was such a sure thing…he’d be starting and making $20 million a year.

And I’m the #1 Grimes fan on the forum. I’d totally take a shot on him for ~$12 mil a year.

I guess I'm reading this differently than most folks.  He shot 36% from three while playing with New York.  They he got traded to the shitshow Pistons where he clearly didn't want to be and got hurt.  He had 5 terrible games there that tanked his season average on three point percentage.  Given the situation, I tend to discount the 5 games he played in Detroit and focus almost entirely on the 162 he played at NY where he shot between 36 and 39 for his whole career.

[F Gump]

My observation and belief is that Grimes was traded to DET because he was sucking. And DET was just a continuation. I don't buy the idea he was a good player in NY last year. His 39% overall pct was truly bad shooting, and 36% on 3s was nothing to salvage things (it's meh at best).

[The Jom]

Maybe I misunderstand the mechanics of extending a player. I’ve always assumed it happens when mgmt perceives they’re getting a discount for committing early and the player values guaranteed money in light of the risks inherent with waiting 9 months for the market. The risks (injury, sucky play, and market changes) are smaller when you already have years of paychecks. When you’re young, however, isn’t the usual approach way, way more risk averse (Nick Van Exel aside)?

[mvossman]

My observation and belief is that Grimes was traded to DET because he was sucking. And DET was just a continuation. I don't buy the idea he was a good player in NY last year. His 39% overall pct was truly bad shooting, and 36% on 3s was nothing to salvage things (it's meh at best).

His 39% overall is partially due to the fact that so many of his shots are 3s.  If you want to look at his efficiency, his true shooting was a little over 54%, which is not great (still better than PJ and Hardy) and well below his career average.  There is no question that even in New York he had a down year last year.  But his offensive value is more than his efficiency.  He takes 3s at a high volume, which blunts his efficiency numbers, but makes him a much better floor spacer.  I would argue that the NY Grimes last season would have been more valuable that Josh Green because he is a better defender and a better floor spacer due to volume (willingness to pull the trigger).  He is also a young player and young players growth curves are generally not linear.  He had a huge jump his second year and then fell back some his third.  Its possible he never plays like he did in his second year, but I think its more likely that it eventually becomes the norm as he moves into his prime.

[Jym]

His 39% overall is partially due to the fact that so many of his shots are 3s.  If you want to look at his efficiency, his true shooting was a little over 54%, which is not great (still better than PJ and Hardy) and well below his career average.  There is no question that even in New York he had a down year last year.  But his offensive value is more than his efficiency.  He takes 3s at a high volume, which blunts his efficiency numbers, but makes him a much better floor spacer.  I would argue that the NY Grimes last season would have been more valuable that Josh Green because he is a better defender and a better floor spacer due to volume (willingness to pull the trigger).  He is also a young player and young players growth curves are generally not linear.  He had a huge jump his second year and then fell back some his third.  Its possible he never plays like he did in his second year, but I think its more likely that it eventually becomes the norm as he moves into his prime.

I just know he was exactly the type of player I hoped we would trade for. Point of attack defender who is in the final year of a rookie deal. 
I'm just shocked it ended up being so cheap to get him 
Hopefully we can keep churning thru guys in a similar contract situation without giving up much

[mvossman]

I just know he was exactly the type of player I hoped we would trade for. Point of attack defender who is in the final year of a rookie deal. 
I'm just shocked it ended up being so cheap to get him 
Hopefully we can keep churning thru guys in a similar contract situation without giving up much

Agreed.  Guys like DJJ, Naji and Grimes are perfect budget fits on a Luka/Kyrie team.  You have to have those elite creators, and its huge to have an elite defensive anchor, but after that you want to fill the team with reasonably priced 3&D players.

[SleepingHero]

Grant Afseth (@GrantAfseth)
The Dallas Mavericks announce the launch of MavsTV, which will carry 70+ games not exclusively televised nationally for free over-the-air on WFAA and KFAA.

Fans can access MavsTV using the new streaming service powered by the NBA’s Next Gen digital platform on the NBA App.

[SleepingHero]

https://www.mavs.com/broadcast/?utm_source=web&utm_medium=topstop&utm_campaign=dm_24_mavstv&utm_id=dm_24_mavstv


FAQ:

What is MavsTV?
MavsTV is the simplest way to watch Mavericks games on any screen, wherever you may be in the Dallas Mavericks’ approved region during the 2024-25 season. Keep the Mavericks in your pocket by streaming right from your smartphone, at home on your smart TV, or on your computer screen. Check your zip code above to see if you are eligible for MavsTV.

What games are available for MavsTV?
All local Dallas Mavericks games are available for live and on-demand viewing alongside exclusive content within MavsTV. Nationally broadcasted Dallas Mavericks games are not available on MavsTV.

What happens if I am traveling? Can I still watch MavsTV?
MavsTV is available to Mavericks fans as authenticated by their ZIP code at the time of subscription. Subscribers can still access MavsTV even when they are away from the Dallas Mavericks’ approved region, traveling domestically, within a 30-day period.

How much does MavsTV Cost?

Fans have two purchasing options when subscribing to MavsTV – the Season-Long subscription with a one-time payment of $124.99 or a Monthly Subscription with a monthly payment of $14.99. Please note that you can cancel your subscription at any time, but Season-Long subscriptions are not eligible for refund and fees may apply. Prices are subject to change throughout the season.

Is DVR Available?

DVR is not available on MavsTV. Fans who enter MavsTV during a live game will begin watching from that point in the game. Replays of any game will be available 60 minutes following the end of the post-game show.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Fans can access MavsTV using the new streaming service powered by the NBA’s Next Gen digital platform on the NBA App.

Someone explain how to get this on my TV like I’m 10 years old.

Edit: let me see if there’s an NBA app on my LG TV

[SleepingHero]

Someone explain how to get this on my TV like I’m 10 years old.

You can watch using the NBA App on your mobile phone, tablet, most smart TVs, or on NBA.com. 

Using the link I provided, create an account and subscribe. If you have a SmartTV, download the NBA App, and log in. Congrats you can now watch any local Mavs game thats not nationally televised.

[SleepingHero]

The Warriors just gave Moses Moody 3/39 extension. That feels about right for Grimes.

[Jmaciscool]

https://www.mavs.com/broadcast/?utm_source=web&utm_medium=topstop&utm_campaign=dm_24_mavstv&utm_id=dm_24_mavstv


FAQ:

What is MavsTV?
MavsTV is the simplest way to watch Mavericks games on any screen, wherever you may be in the Dallas Mavericks’ approved region during the 2024-25 season. Keep the Mavericks in your pocket by streaming right from your smartphone, at home on your smart TV, or on your computer screen. Check your zip code above to see if you are eligible for MavsTV.

What games are available for MavsTV?
All local Dallas Mavericks games are available for live and on-demand viewing alongside exclusive content within MavsTV. Nationally broadcasted Dallas Mavericks games are not available on MavsTV.

What happens if I am traveling? Can I still watch MavsTV?
MavsTV is available to Mavericks fans as authenticated by their ZIP code at the time of subscription. Subscribers can still access MavsTV even when they are away from the Dallas Mavericks’ approved region, traveling domestically, within a 30-day period.

How much does MavsTV Cost?

Fans have two purchasing options when subscribing to MavsTV – the Season-Long subscription with a one-time payment of $124.99 or a Monthly Subscription with a monthly payment of $14.99. Please note that you can cancel your subscription at any time, but Season-Long subscriptions are not eligible for refund and fees may apply. Prices are subject to change throughout the season.

Is DVR Available?

DVR is not available on MavsTV. Fans who enter MavsTV during a live game will begin watching from that point in the game. Replays of any game will be available 60 minutes following the end of the post-game show.

So if I'm understanding correctly this means that there's not a "start from the beginning" option if I come in at the second or third quarter. That sucks. 

"Fans who enter MavsTV during a live game will begin watching from that point in the game."

[Cowdog]

. . . Congrats you can now watch any local Mavs game thats not nationally televised.

This part confuses me. Does "local" mean that only home games will be available? So, if we are away in San Antonio and it is not nationally televised, we can't watch?