Trade & FA 2024-25:

[Chicagojk]

Interesting discussion to get Portland fans feedback

https://www.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comment...erest_you/

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Neither Gafford or Vuc can guard the perimeter, but Vuc can't guard at the rim either.  Vuc will be 34 next season and has been on the decline for a while.  Not sure it makes sense to trade a 26 year old defensive P&R center for an aging declining offense only center.

Vuc is at the point in his career that you get him as a FA signing chasing a ring.  You do not give trade capital up for such a player.

[KillerLeft]

Interesting discussion to get Portland fans feedback

https://www.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comment...erest_you/

Thanks!

I actually think most of the ideas are pretty reasonable (the replies to those ideas are not).

[F Gump]

Wouldn't this deal be legal since its above the 29 million dollar threshold (I assume this happens in July) in total and be subjected to the 125% +250k rule? Since both teams will be below the 1st apron upon completion they wouldn't have to worry about 100% match. Mavs team roster $ would be 177,222,039 and can just waive Lawson to get down to $175,101,356

Or am I misunderstanding the rules?

The math is what governs the situation. The trade has to happen in July (due to MT restriction) and Apron 1 is expected to be about 178.65M. If you do a trade > 100%, you are hard capped at that number until June 30, 2025.

The problem is that the result of that trade forces you over the hard cap (which is not permitted) as you complete your roster. Using your parameters here are the numbers...

1  11  - Roster Size, after doing the trade and waiving Lawson
2 174.5 -  Team Salary (for apron purposes) with those 11. Some contracts use a different number for Apron purposes.
3  4.14 - Room, under Apron 1 (which is your hard cap)
4 1.0 - Cushion Needed under Hard Cap. This is an arbitrary number, but all teams will leave some room in case of emergencies, since there are NO permissions ever given to exceed a hard cap.
5  3 - Empty Roster Slots to fill (minimum number). A team must carry at least 14 players on the roster.
6  2.09 - Minimum Salary. It will cost this much or more to fill each roster slot
7 180.79  - Team Salary after signing 3 players at minimum

[chaparral]

Enjoying the talk today on Avdija becoming a Mav. I'm sure our new owner would love to have him on her team as well.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Sarr apparently told the Hawks not to draft him because he wants to go to Washington. LMAO

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I’m down for Jerami Grant. It’s not my money. Maybe Kidd can convince him to play defense again.

I did not want to trade “all the picks” for him last year like he was a big 3 guy but if we can get him with our current assets…

[SleepingHero]

The math is what governs the situation. The trade has to happen in July (due to MT restriction) and Apron 1 is expected to be about 178.65M. If you do a trade > 100%, you are hard capped at that number until June 30, 2025.

The problem is that the result of that trade forces you over the hard cap (which is not permitted) as you complete your roster. Using your parameters here are the numbers...

1  11  - Roster Size, after doing the trade and waiving Lawson
2 174.5 -  Team Salary (for apron purposes) with those 11. Some contracts use a different number for Apron purposes.
3  4.14 - Room, under Apron 1 (which is your hard cap)
4 1.0 - Cushion Needed under Hard Cap. This is an arbitrary number, but all teams will leave some room in case of emergencies, since there are NO permissions ever given to exceed a hard cap.
5  3 - Empty Roster Slots to fill (minimum number). A team must carry at least 14 players on the roster.
6  2.09 - Minimum Salary. It will cost this much or more to fill each roster slot
7 180.79  - Team Salary after signing 3 players at minimum

Totally clears up my confusion. I appreciate it.

[SleepingHero]

Evan Sidery (@esidery)
The Pelicans are preparing to lose Naji Marshall in free agency as a strong market is expected for the versatile wing.

Teams with cap space such as the Pistons, Sixers and Spurs are strong contenders to secure Marshall away from New Orleans.

[SleepingHero]

Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA)
Oshae Brissett is declining his $2.5M player option with the Boston Celtics for the 2024-25 season, a league source told @spotrac.

Brissett will now be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

[DanSchwartzgan]

If the goal is THJ/Maxi/Green for Grant/Thybulle, there MIGHT be a way to split it up and make it work.

You do THJ/Maxi for Grant in 23/24.  Then you do the Green for Thybulle part in the new season.  Each deal would need to satisfy both teams on a stand alone basis in terms of draft compensation in case something happened with the second deal.  You could also put Green in the first deal and Maxi in the Thybulle deal, but it makes Dallas a taxpayer in 23/24.

I say “might” because there are a few potential issues.  Fanspo shows the first trade putting Portland within $260k of hitting the tax for the current season.  I imagine Fanspo doesn’t have every single penny of spending accounted for, so some minor tweaks might have to be made.   Portland does not have a 2025 first round pick.  So, I suspect part of the compensation for the THJ/Maxi for Grant part of this (or the THJ/Green for Grant part of this) would be our 2025.  It wouldn’t shock me to see Dallas get back one of Portland’s 2024 seconds in such a deal.

The other issue is when all is said and done, our three players for their two players adds some salary.  When you account for a Vet Minimum to get back to 14 players, it puts us about $650k over the first apron.  

But, we don’t have to make our 14th a vet min.  It can be a second rounder.  Last year Portland paid their two second rounders $1.1mm each.  That saves you more than the $650k needed to stay under the apron.    

Once we are under the apron with a legal roster, I believe we can spend the TP MLE and go over the apron as we’ve not done anything at this point to hard cap ourselves (or I don’t think we have).  Those who think DJJ will sign a 1+1 at $5.2mm were always going to put us above the first apron with that signing (given how close we are to the apron without it).  So, whether than $5.2mm goes to DJJ or some other player, you’d have the ability to spend it if you wish.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Thybulle, Hardy, Exum ($5.2mm Exception player)

[Jason Terry]

I think the only reason we’ve been discussing Harris or Thybulle is because of one media report and one somewhat cryptic “insider” report.  Both probably came out since they recorded that.  Is that the episode where they mentioned Bogdan?  I remember one of them saying good things about him too, but can’t remember how long ago that was.

Avdija is about as good as it gets in terms of contract size (less than 100% of outgoing THJ and similar money to PJ, but declining).  He plays plus D and on offense he’s a jack of many trades and while he’s kind of a master of none, he’s fairly good at almost everything (and still on a pretty good growth curve at only 23).

FWIW, Washington doesn’t have a 2025 pick.  I’d probably do the Green for 2026 part I mentioned earlier (using their TPE to absorb Green in a June trade) and add THJ, lightly protected 2025 and a lightly protected swap of 31 as a separate deal (that probably has to wait until July).  As they said on the podcast, that is a steep price, but you keep DJJ at the full NT MLE (moving him to a bench role) and you’ve swapped Green/31 pick swap (and a 24 for 25 pick swap kind of) for Avdija.  As we’ve talked through names, he’s probably number one for me.  The starting lineup just makes sense.   PJ is probably your worst starter, if not now, sometime fairly soon.

Lively, PJ, Avdija, Kyrie and Luka

Gafford, Maxi/Omax, DJJ, Hardy, Exum

Avdija is the best fit of all realistic options. He might be the only name i would think about anything 2031 pick related. 

Green, Hardy, 2025 unprotected and 2025 Toronto 2nd is what i would be willing to give up 

The big feature with a guy like Avdija is he can do everything on  offense. So we have a legit 3rd person to run the offense. I think we would come to find out that 2 out of 3 of Luka, Kyrie and Avdija would need to be on the court at all times. We would treat him like a point guard just like Luka. He wouldn’t be asked to play the same position as Jones Jr or PJ. He would be replacing Green, Hardy, THJ and Exum and would deliver more than all of them regular and postseason

Essentially if we stagger the minutes between those 3 players, then Avdija would be the bench scoring we’ve always lacked in the highly talked about non-Luka minutes 

The cherry on top is his ability to defend well and he’s only 23………..He fits the mold of a Nico deal 

2 Scorers: Luka, Kyrie, Avdija 

2 defenders: DJJ, PJ, Maxi, Omax

1 big: Lively and Gafford

[Chicagojk]

What are your thoughts on how a green for Thubulle trade would take place? Would Dallas ask for an asset back? How good of an asset?

Green is much younger and I think he has substantially higher upside is he can ever put it together. On the other hand, I can’t stop thinking the role the Mavs want Green to play, Thybulle is just better at that role. I don’t know if I could pull the trigger just because I still think there is something still untapped with Green. It is an interesting discussion though.

[Mavs2021]

What are your thoughts on how a green for Thubulle trade would take place?  Would Dallas ask for an asset back?  How good of an asset?

Green is much younger and I think he has substantially higher upside is he can ever put it together.  On the other hand, I can’t stop thinking the role the Mavs want Green to play, Thybulle is just better at that role.  I don’t know if I could pull the trigger just because I still think there is something still untapped with Green.  It is an interesting discussion though.

#15 + #34 + #40

[F Gump]

If the goal is THJ/Maxi/Green for Grant/Thybulle, there MIGHT be a way to split it up and make it work.

You do THJ/Maxi for Grant in 23/24.  Then you do the Green for Thybulle part in the new season.  Each deal would need to satisfy both teams on a stand alone basis in terms of draft compensation in case something happened with the second deal.  You could also put Green in the first deal and Maxi in the Thybulle deal, but it makes Dallas a taxpayer in 23/24.

I say “might” because there are a few potential issues.  Fanspo shows the first trade putting Portland within $260k of hitting the tax for the current season.  I imagine Fanspo doesn’t have every single penny of spending accounted for, so some minor tweaks might have to be made.   Portland does not have a 2025 first round pick.  So, I suspect part of the compensation for the THJ/Maxi for Grant part of this (or the THJ/Green for Grant part of this) would be our 2025.  It wouldn’t shock me to see Dallas get back one of Portland’s 2024 seconds in such a deal.

The other issue is when all is said and done, our three players for their two players adds some salary.  When you account for a Vet Minimum to get back to 14 players, it puts us about $650k over the first apron.  

But, we don’t have to make our 14th a vet min.  It can be a second rounder.  Last year Portland paid their two second rounders $1.1mm each.  That saves you more than the $650k needed to stay under the apron.    

Once we are under the apron with a legal roster, I believe we can spend the TP MLE and go over the apron as we’ve not done anything at this point to hard cap ourselves (or I don’t think we have).  Those who think DJJ will sign a 1+1 at $5.2mm were always going to put us above the first apron with that signing (given how close we are to the apron without it).  So, whether than $5.2mm goes to DJJ or some other player, you’d have the ability to spend it if you wish.

Lively, PJ, Grant, Kyrie, Luka

Gafford, OMax, Thybulle, Hardy, Exum ($5.2mm Exception player)

Some pertinent details
1 Other than trade kickers paid, post-season trades in June do not impact a team's tax, as tax numbers are already determined, as of the last day of the regular season.
2 If you are not hard-capped at Apron 1, you do not have to do things to stay under that number.
3 "You do THJ/Maxi for Grant in 23/24. ".....THJ-Maxi for Grant in 23-24 is more than 100% for DAL (and oddly, for POR too) so it creates a hard cap.
4 Obtaining a 2024 2nd rounder has the potential to help on the salary front, but is only useful if there's a player you can get that is actually worth having on your roster. If not, your roster is effectively only 13, which is problematic if you also lack the ability to spend and add when injuries occur.
5 Getting below the hard cap by a sliver probably isn't a solution that any team would embrace. You need a decent cushion.

[Jason Terry]

KCP is a guy that should get some love.

Wizards get: Green

Mavs get: KCP

Nuggets get: TPE and pick 26

[SleepingHero]

KCP is a guy that should get some love.

Wizards get: Green

Mavs get: KCP

Nuggets get: TPE and pick 26

Problem is, the Nuggets want to do everything in their power to keep KCP. They're not trying to lose him. He's threatening (or will do it and giving them a heads up) of opting out of his current deal to sign for a more lucrative one. 

If he does that, it may put the Nuggets in such a cap bugaboo that they have no choice but to let him go. There are already a lot of strong rumors that Philly is going to throw a big contract at KCP.

[F Gump]

KCP is a guy that should get some love.

Wizards get: Green

Mavs get: KCP

Nuggets get: TPE and pick 26

How about

Wizards get Green and THJ and "draft capital"
Mavs get Avdija

[HoosierDaddyKidd]

Sarr apparently told the Hawks not to draft him because he wants to go to Washington. LMAO

This sounds like Drew Brees telling the Chargers not to draft him. lol. This guy hasn't even been drafted yet, and he's dictating where he wants to play? Damn...

[HoosierDaddyKidd]

Problem is, the Nuggets want to do everything in their power to keep KCP. They're not trying to lose him. He's threatening (or will do it and giving them a heads up) of opting out of his current deal to sign for a more lucrative one. 

If he does that, it may put the Nuggets in such a cap bugaboo that they have no choice but to let him go. There are already a lot of strong rumors that Philly is going to throw a big contract at KCP.

I also heard Orlando is in the mix.