Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[ItsGoTime]

Tate brings a lot of what Mavs need. I was proposing Tate+Garuba, I guess Eason is not that different value wise. Tate might also lose his role on Houston if they get Brooks. I actually think the value is still light in case of Garuba. I don't have any opinion about Eason. I would also want #20 from Houston.

That's true, they are linked to Brooks now, that might tell us something about how much they want win now players to usher in the second go around for Harden. Tate also had an injury riddled season this year only playing 31 games. That's got to lower his value a bit.

Also good to know when Tate was out, Eason was the replacement.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

OG and Bridges were both starters for their teams (OG on a playoff team) while Eason is a backup on a worst in the league record team type. That makes it really hard to give him any value other than a #17 pick (if anything, he's lost value). I get why he's off the bench, but it just doesn't make things easier to evaluate when trying to make a comparison or picturing him starting here (I would think he'd have to win that spot depending on who we bring in this offseason).

What would be the extra compensation? Problem is I don't have a good handle on who most of their guys are. They are targeting Harden and a PG when Green is a combo G which gives me a bit of pause as to what the direction is. However, Tate is a defensive stopper for them, Is he too much compensation? Tate and Eason for Bullock and #10?

I'm comparing OG's 3rd year and Mikal's 2nd year to Tari's 1st year, to make things even age wise.  If you compare all 3 of their rookie years, Tari is incredibly better.  Tari played in all 82 games and started 5 at over 20 mins...  as a rookie.  Look at Mikal only started 32 games his 2nd year.  OG only started 6. 

Point taken, but you can't poo-poo the analysis because Tari plays on a terrible team.  His competition is the same.  IMO you can only diminish scoring when coming from a terrible team, like Keldon Johnson.  Also, Eason is playing behind the 3 stud Jrs: Martin, Porter, and Smith.

Again, the tangibles are all there.  He greatly outperformed OG and Mikal's rookie years.  IMO, he's a younger, cheaper OG (to be).

Houston would be an incredible landing spot for Reaves.
Green, Reaves, Porter, Smith, Sengun with Martin, Tate (and draft picks/FAs)

[ItsGoTime]

Point taken, but you can't poo-poo the analysis because Tari plays on a terrible team.  His competition is the same.  

It was about being a bench player more than a losing team (Suns were horrible in Bridges rookie year). That makes the competition the players are facing a lot different. I also didn’t poo-poo the analysis, just said it makes it that much harder to figure out, which is what keeps the value no better than the 17 spot he was picked at.

[omahen]

Some fantasy trades, reflecting some of our discussions.

1. Portland first trades #3 and Simons to Orlando for #6, #11, WCJ and Harris and then
2. flips #6 and Nurkic to SA for Johnson (so they gave Johnson more value than the twitter trade published yesterday)
3. Dallas trades #10, THJ, Bullock and McGee for Ayton.

The proposed move would really leave a big hole on Mavs wing rotation, so there would have to be good plans how to fill them, for the move to make sense.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1007...he-lottery

[ItsGoTime]

I just don’t understand how #3 is even close. I’m not as down on Ayton as KL (although I’m closer to his view on him than most others), but THJ, Bullock and #10 is pretty far off even for the guys that would like Ayton here. Phoenix doesn’t even really want the pick, they want win now players. I think I proposed THJ, Bullock and Maxi for Ayton, but even I wasn’t all that enthusiastic about that cause it put us close to their same predicament.

[HAguiar95]

I know we're all on the Hardy hype train (myself included) but with Kidd and our guard rotation, I'm really struggling to see where he fits, even if THJ is gone (would Kidd insert him into THJ's spot?), however I wonder what we could possibly get in return. Would this be a thing?

Hardy, Bertans for Morris, Gafford

Doncic/Morris
Irving/THJ
Green/Bullock
#10/Kleber
Gafford/Powell

[ItsGoTime]

I know we're all on the Hardy hype train (myself included) but with Kidd and our guard rotation, I'm really struggling to see where he fits, even if THJ is gone (would Kidd insert him into THJ's spot?), however I wonder what we could possibly get in return. Would this be a thing?

Hardy, Bertans for Morris, Gafford

Doncic/Morris
Irving/THJ
Green/Bullock
#10/Kleber
Gafford/Powell

Man, I think Hardy fits in perfectly with Luka and Kyrie. When he comes in off the bench he is relieving one of them and is a great running mate with either. It gives us 2 ball handlers on the court at all times (3 G rotation that worked so well with Luka, JB snd SD). I don’t, however like him being an injury replacement for either. That’s why getting someone in the proposed Dragic role last year is kinda crucial. Someone like Mills or Rose or Pat Bev.

As far as your trade? It’s probably on par value-wise, I’d just hate seeing Hardy go to Was and end up being the best player from that trade, which I think is likely.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

It was about being a bench player more than a losing team (Suns were horrible in Bridges rookie year). That makes the competition the players are facing a lot different. I also didn’t poo-poo the analysis, just said it makes it that much harder to figure out, which is what keeps the value no better than the 17 spot he was picked at.

I think you are very much on an island thinking Eason has not improved his worth at #17.  

OG only played in 67 games and started only 6 games in the championship year.  Why?  Kawhi, Siakom, Ibaka, and Green all got more F minutes than he did.

Eason played in all 82 games but started only 5 games in his rookie year.  Why?  Porter Jr, Smith Jr, Gordon, Martin Jr, and Tate all got more wing minutes.  He was a rookie.  To simply say his production is in question because established, talented vets were ahead of him in the depth chart.

If you are looking for a young player with incredible substantiated stats, they we will be untouchable.  You have to mine the diamond before it's cut and polished.  Point is Eason for one rookie year compares favorably to the second year of two stud wings who are now out of our grasp.  We have to find the next OG and Mikal.

If Houston whiffs on Harden, Reaves is an incredible fit.  I really like the 3-way based upon Kyrie to LAL, Reaves to HOU, Eason to DAL.

[F Gump]

I really like the 3-way based upon Kyrie to LAL, Reaves to HOU, Eason to DAL.

There is no such 3-way. You can argue the merits of this trade until you're blue in the face, but it will never happen. Reaves won't sign a deal to go to HOU, nor for so small a contract.

[ItsGoTime]

I think you are very much on an island thinking Eason has not improved his worth at #17.  

OG only played in 67 games and started only 6 games in the championship year.  Why?  Kawhi, Siakom, Ibaka, and Green all got more F minutes than he did.

Eason played in all 82 games but started only 5 games in his rookie year.  Why?  Porter Jr, Smith Jr, Gordon, Martin Jr, and Tate all got more wing minutes.  He was a rookie.  To simply say his production is in question because established, talented vets were ahead of him in the depth chart.

If you are looking for a young player with incredible substantiated stats, they we will be untouchable.  You have to mine the diamond before it's cut and polished.  Point is Eason for one rookie year compares favorably to the second year of two stud wings who are now out of our grasp.  We have to find the next OG and Mikal.

If Houston whiffs on Harden, Reaves is an incredible fit.  I really like the 3-way based upon Kyrie to LAL, Reaves to HOU, Eason to DAL.

Why are you getting in a huff in a conversation where I’m pretty much on your side of it? WTF mate? You asked what value in trade I think Eason has. I gave my opinion based on what I see. He has potential to be much better, but he hasn’t realized that potential (you yourself even said that). His stats in his rookie year coming off the bench are not comparable to other rookie stats that were starting. Why is that a controversial statement when they didn’t play against the same competition? Most of what we would be trading for is unrealized potential with a hope that he realizes it. His potential 1 year ago was as a 17th pick in the draft. In 1 year, I don’t think he raised that value.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Why are you getting in a huff in a conversation where I’m pretty much on your side of it? WTF mate? You asked what value in trade I think Eason has. I gave my opinion based on what I see. He has potential to be much better, but he hasn’t realized that potential (you yourself even said that). His stats in his rookie year coming off the bench are not comparable to other rookie stats that were starting. Why is that a controversial statement when they didn’t play against the same competition? Most of what we would be trading for is unrealized potential with a hope that he realizes it. His potential 1 year ago was as a 17th pick in the draft. In 1 year, I don’t think he raised that value.

Again, OG only started 6 games.  Eason started 5.  How is that not comparable?

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There is no such 3-way. You can argue the merits of this trade until you're blue in the face, but it will never happen. Reaves won't sign a deal to go to HOU, nor for so small a contract.

Sorry, you're right.  A SnT would be under the constraints LAL have.  IMO Reaves will get $18-$20mill a year.

[ItsGoTime]

Again, OG only started 6 games.  Eason started 5.  How is that not comparable?

You know he played 62 out of 74 games his rookie season, why are you being like that?

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

You know he played 62 out of 74 games his rookie season, why are you being like that?

Given the age difference coming into the league (20 vs 21), I was comparing Eason's rookie year to OG's second.  Point being when there's more established talent at your position, you don't start.

At 21yo...
OG: 7.0pts, 2.9rbs, 0.7asts, 0.7stl, 0.3blks in 67 games (6 starting), 20.2mins, 45.3%fg, 33.2%3pt, 106.5defrtg
Eason: 9.3pts, 6.0rbs, 1.1asts, 1.2stls, 0.6blks in 82 games (5 starting), 21.6mins, 44.8%fg, 34.3%3pt, 113.4defrtg

Do you not see the validity of the comparison now?  Only the defrtg is not a push or in Eason's advantage.  That certainly can be explained by TOT being an amazing defensive team that year and HOU being horrific.  

What's not to be forgotten here is that Eason is an excellent rebounder for a wing.

[ItsGoTime]

Given the age difference coming into the league (20 vs 21), I was comparing Eason's rookie year to OG's second.  Point being when there's more established talent at your position, you don't start.

At 21yo...
OG: 7.0pts, 2.9rbs, 0.7asts, 0.7stl, 0.3blks in 67 games (6 starting), 20.2mins, 45.3%fg, 33.2%3pt, 106.5defrtg
Eason: 9.3pts, 6.0rbs, 1.1asts, 1.2stls, 0.6blks in 82 games (5 starting), 21.6mins, 44.8%fg, 34.3%3pt, 113.4defrtg

Do you not see the validity of the comparison now?  Only the defrtg is not a push or in Eason's advantage.  That certainly can be explained by TOT being an amazing defensive team that year and HOU being horrific.  

What's not to be forgotten here is that Eason is an excellent rebounder for a wing.

Feels like you’re arguing for Eason’s potential as opposed to his value.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

Feels like you’re arguing for Eason’s potential as opposed to his value.

OK, you win.  I tap out.  You are right.  I am wrong.  Jeez.  If you don't think that potential of a rookie player doesn't measure into his value, there's no talking to you.

[ItsGoTime]

OK, you win.  I tap out.  You are right.  I am wrong.  Jeez.  If you don't think that potential of a rookie player doesn't measure into his value, there's no talking to you.

Maybe the problem is you’re trying to “win” something here. You asked my opinion, I gave it with my reasoning, you got upset with that reasoning. You seem to think he has more value than 17, how about you share what value you think he has instead of trying to confront me on mine? We can then agree to disagree and move on.

[The Jom]

I would personally deliver #10 to Brooklyn for a DFS return. He’s a Mav. Lost our Doe-Doe, then our mojo. Need both back.

[SleepingHero]

I would personally deliver #10 to Brooklyn for a DFS return. He’s a Mav. Lost our Doe-Doe, then our mojo. Need both back.

If he comes with Nic Claxton I'm all for it. 

I just don't think the Nets are really motivated to attach their starting center in a deal like that. Heck though DFS was horrible for them, I'm hesitant to say they'd trade 21+22+DFS for #10.

[SleepingHero]

The 76ers have not shown an appetite to pay James Harden the max, per @WindhorstESPN

[omahen]

The 76ers have not shown an appetite to pay James Harden the max, per @WindhorstESPN

Harden max deal will immediately become one of the worst contracts in the league. So good luck to Houston, I guess. I wonder how Philly pivots if Harden really walks. Will Embiid demand out? Is there another star that could become available. Maxey (and Harris) for Beal? Same for Lillard? Are their contracts really any better than Harden one?