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[surfpuckmd]

New idea to use the 10th pick for a useful player.  I believe this would solve a problem for each team.

Dallas trades the 10th pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves as well as Javale McGee in exchange for Jaden McDaniels and Nathan Knight.

Fundamentally, the trade is pick 10 for Jaden McDaniels.  I included the McGee and Knight for salary matching purposes.

McDaniels is a combo forward with good size, excellent defense and shot 40% from 3 this year.

He would be an excellent fit as the Mavs power forward.  He is only 22 and likely to improve.  

The Timberwolves are about to have a salary crunch.  Anthony Edwards will receive a max contract extension this summer and Rudy Gobert and KAT are already guaranteed large contracts over the next several years.  I think McDaniels will deserve an expensive extension and retaining Kyle Anderson would be a much less expensive move for Minnesota.  

They could use the 10th pick to draft either Conley's eventual replacement or a cost-controlled forward to replace McDaniels.

McGee is a bad contract but I don't see another way to match salaries.

I believe this would work well for both teams.

[omahen]

Let me add a small tidbit about THJ and others. If we do keep Kyrie, I expect a much larger positive benefit from playing with 2 super stars than we saw this year. We did not get much gravity effect from the stars for whatever reason during this past horrible year. I am very confident this will happen this year. THJ in particular if he is still here, will settle into a comfort zone as the 3rd best player (his view) where he lets the offense come to him and executes the easy play AND focuses on defense. This works as both a starter or bench player because of a clearly superior star on the floor.

I am affraid Mavs need plus defenders on all three remaining starting spots next to Luka and Kyrie. I am affraid THJ is neutral at best

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New idea to use the 10th pick for a useful player.  I believe this would solve a problem for each team.

Dallas trades the 10th pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves as well as Javale McGee in exchange for Jaden McDaniels and Nathan Knight.

Fundamentally, the trade is pick 10 for Jaden McDaniels.  I included the McGee and Knight for salary matching purposes.

Hi. McDaniels would be great, but I am affraid he is untouchable for Minny.

[numnuts23]

Let's say they get lotto lucky and get 2nd or 3rd pick. What is that worth via trade?

Scoot Henderson and Brandon Miller would be 1/1 picks in previous drafts.

Is there any way to use that pick to get enough capital to trade for Jaylen Brown?

[ItsGoTime]

Let's say they get lotto lucky and get 2nd or 3rd pick.  What is that worth via trade?

Scoot Henderson and Brandon Miller would be 1/1 picks in previous drafts. 

Is there any way to use that pick to get enough capital to trade for Jaylen Brown?

I’ve said I would trade the #1 pick, mostly because of what I believe will be Wemby’s injury status, but also because it basically sounds like, if you can dream it, you can get it, in a return package. 

I think Miller could be as good or better than Brown (not a knock, Brown is amazing) and SF is the hardest and most expensive spot to fill with that caliber of player. So if the return package is Brown +? I might turn my head. Otherwise, Miller is the right choice. 

If we get 3 and Scoot is there? I know some say take Scoot and SnT Kyrie. Just not sure that is worth over keeping Kyrie and finding a team that needs that PG spot filled (Uta, Tor, Cha?, Orl?, NO?, SA?). We for sure don’t get as good of assets out of trading Kyrie, and I think getting someone else in like Siakam and more to move from #3 to 13 (or more if we’re straight up giving them the pick) would make Kyrie more long term happy (a huge fear I have with him).

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

New idea to use the 10th pick for a useful player.  I believe this would solve a problem for each team.

Dallas trades the 10th pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves as well as Javale McGee in exchange for Jaden McDaniels and Nathan Knight.

Fundamentally, the trade is pick 10 for Jaden McDaniels.  I included the McGee and Knight for salary matching purposes.

McDaniels is a combo forward with good size, excellent defense and shot 40% from 3 this year.

He would be an excellent fit as the Mavs power forward.  He is only 22 and likely to improve.  

The Timberwolves are about to have a salary crunch.  Anthony Edwards will receive a max contract extension this summer and Rudy Gobert and KAT are already guaranteed large contracts over the next several years.  I think McDaniels will deserve an expensive extension and retaining Kyle Anderson would be a much less expensive move for Minnesota.  

They could use the 10th pick to draft either Conley's eventual replacement or a cost-controlled forward to replace McDaniels.

McGee is a bad contract but I don't see another way to match salaries.

I believe this would work well for both teams.

Excellent idea.  Jaden McDaniels (even more than his brother given his better offensive ability) is an OG lite, and has the ability to become that level of player.  They almost have the identical defrtg at 111.3/111.4.

[DanSchwartzgan]

I just want to say I really enjoyed the last few pages of recent trade ideas and thinking. Thanks to all of you in lieu of the like button. It is refreshing to hear good attempts at basketball wisdom. I found several of the ideas to be actual possibilities and not just wishful. I also noticed a tone down of Cuban criticism which while true to an extent had gotten quite tiresome.

Let me add a small tidbit about THJ and others. If we do keep Kyrie, I expect a much larger positive benefit from playing with 2 super stars than we saw this year. We did not get much gravity effect from the stars for whatever reason during this past horrible year. I am very confident this will happen this year. THJ in particular if he is still here, will settle into a comfort zone as the 3rd best player (his view) where he lets the offense come to him and executes the easy play AND focuses on defense. This works as both a starter or bench player because of a clearly superior star on the floor.

Of course this gravity effect applies to numerous players who all have better chance to rise to their new role. This even includes Luka though his adjustments will be a difficult challenge for him which I hope he rises to. That dynamic may well determine our season.
Of course adding the right talent could not be any more important. I just want to add “more than expected internal improvement “ to the list of potential acquisitions.

I thought THJ played better D this season and have him staying in my base case.  I tend to agree with your assessment, but not based on gravity in the traditional sense.  I think THJ thrives in situations where it is clear he’s down a notch or two in the pecking order.  When he’s not, he tends to decide it is his job to get off shots whether they are smart shots or not.

The problem is even if he’s playing super efficient offense (not trying to do too much) and average D, we have Luka, Kyrie, Hardy, THJ and Green splitting the minutes at the 1, 2 and 3.  That’s about 29 minutes each and Green is the only plus defender from among the bunch.  Maybe you call Luka a four.  That may allow for another plus defender from among your 1, 2 and 3 (while weakening your D at the four).  So keeping THJ seems likely to me with the conundrum being it keeps you from making substantial changes to your overall D.

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New idea to use the 10th pick for a useful player.  I believe this would solve a problem for each team.

Dallas trades the 10th pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves as well as Javale McGee in exchange for Jaden McDaniels and Nathan Knight.

Fundamentally, the trade is pick 10 for Jaden McDaniels.  I included the McGee and Knight for salary matching purposes.

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[Mavs2021]

I can´t listen to the Locked on podcast anymore. Dear lord. Uh we can´t draft a player at #4, cause he won´t help us on day one. Full blown Mavs propaganda over there. We had the 21st best record in the league. Since we acquired Kyrie we were 7-15. That´s a 26-56 pace. We effectively have no capspace and two 1st round picks.

Who is this mythical creature that moves us up 15 spots into a contender status for two 1st round picks. How thick does Cuban have to be? The realistic approach is to have a shot at being a contender in 12 months, when the next season starts.

If you think WIN NOW moves THIS SUMMER, you can already quit this. Luka is out. The team that went to the WCFs is not here anymore. There is no Brunson, no DFS, no Dinwiddie.

On the bright side, whenever Cuban is on the verge of being exposed as the biggest moron in the league, he tends to luck into a superstar. And given that he´s so stupid, that he´d immediately trade #2/#3/#4 for a soon-to-be washed-up veteran, I guess Wembanyama is ours. Sorry Houston and San Antonio.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

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Im ready for the Gobert and Dillon Brooks front line.

[Chicagojk]

So obviously Mavs need to improve their rebounding and especially their defense. They need some big defenders. But what happens if there are more attractive options that may not be immediate wins but long term wins? Are you prioritizing defense and rebounds and not considering other routes?

For instance, let’s say Dallas keeps 10th. Even if they draft a good defensive prospect, that player is going to need time before he is considered a core player. Then let’s say your highest rated player for the MLE is Naz Reid. Really nice young player, but not a defender. He does play hard though and makes things happen. Still in his young 20’s too. Let’s also say we can’t find a win win trade with our 27 first this summer either. So maybe we are left finding a hidden asset who can be a bench piece.

Is that enough for you this off-season? Not a contender and defense is still a concern, But you are hopeful to have found 2 long term young pieces (maybe you get lucky with a guy who falls through the cracks as well—-let’s say Chuma Okeeke for example). You also keep your 27 first and either Hardaway or Bertans become more attractive the longer they are here. So maybe a trade materializes at the trade deadline or next off-season.

Or are you not interested in any move unless they target plus defenders and rebounders who are ready to play now?

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Also let’s say we keep our 10th pick and draft a wing, any ideas for some Bullock trades? I guess it depends on if the player picked at 10 is a wing or power forward type too.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

I wonder if Jarrett Allen is available. CLE was exposed with Allen and Mobley on the court at the same time.

[SleepingHero]

New idea to use the 10th pick for a useful player.  I believe this would solve a problem for each team.

Dallas trades the 10th pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves as well as Javale McGee in exchange for Jaden McDaniels and Nathan Knight.

Fundamentally, the trade is pick 10 for Jaden McDaniels.  I included the McGee and Knight for salary matching purposes.

McDaniels is a combo forward with good size, excellent defense and shot 40% from 3 this year.

He would be an excellent fit as the Mavs power forward.  He is only 22 and likely to improve.  

The Timberwolves are about to have a salary crunch.  Anthony Edwards will receive a max contract extension this summer and Rudy Gobert and KAT are already guaranteed large contracts over the next several years.  I think McDaniels will deserve an expensive extension and retaining Kyle Anderson would be a much less expensive move for Minnesota.  

They could use the 10th pick to draft either Conley's eventual replacement or a cost-controlled forward to replace McDaniels.

McGee is a bad contract but I don't see another way to match salaries.

I believe this would work well for both teams.

I love the idea to get McDaniels. I think he'd fit in incredibly well here. 

Although I'm a bit hesitant to say he's worth a lottery pick. Yes he's an incredible defender and can shoot from 3, but for a player like that is the going rate a lottery pick? I'm leaning towards no. 

In fact I can point to an incredibly similar player in Jarred Vanderbilt who was just traded for one of the worst contracts in the NBA and all it cost the Lakers was a protected first. 

I'd also wonder why not just use the 10th pick to draft a player like McDaniels anyways if there is one available? 

With that in mind I'd modify the trade and give the Wolves McGee+Maxi (or Bullock+McGee) for McDaniels+Prince.

Wolves do this trade for the cap savings you mentioned, but also get a stretch 4 they desperately need off the bench that can defend. 

Not sure if they do this, but I just think a lotto pick for a talent like McDaniels is an overpay.

[Mavs2021]

I wonder if Jarrett Allen is available.  CLE was exposed with Allen and Mobley on the court at the same time.

I´m sure they are thinking let´s destroy our 51 wins starting five with an average age of 24 for some of the trash on that asset-starved lottery team. 

And the Wolves aren´t trading #10 for McDaniels either. They pissed away all their assets for Gobert, but drew the line at McDaniels, cause his upside is Jaylen Brown. 3rd season stats are virtually identical.

There are no quick fixes, especially not for a front office that has proven to be bottom five in the league over the last decade.

[F Gump]

"... a three team deal will be needed for Mavs to make something happen."

I haven't tried to follow the discussion details closely, but my general observation in reading this is that bringing in a 3rd team is often proposed as a Magic Solution when a team's offer isn't good enough, but that's rarely realistic.

A 3rd team DOES work when there's plenty of value, yet the exact players aren't quite a fit.

Otherwise, they make a deal much harder, because there are more teams wanting to win the trade and get extra value, and yet the 2-teamer didn't work because neither team wanted to add extra value to make it happen.

[Jakeospikez]

If the Cavs are looking to get away from that double big man lineup Jarrett Allen could be a great target if they were interested in a deal based around the 10th pick. Also had interest in THJ so.. ? THJ recovered some value after his injury so that's good at least.

Mavs do probably need to take some risks on distressed assets that they think they can recover. Ayton might be too risky though. I can see the idea that he is not trying at all because he hates the franchise and won't put forth any effort until he's moved, but still that contract makes it tough to get good value. At least this regime has shown they can rebuild assets like they did with Dinwiddie even though that KP deal sucked.

Mavs road to recovery really comes down to lottery balls. If they can get a top 4 pick they should have lots of options and could probably easily fill out the roster. 10th can be worked with. Drop to 11th+ and they're pretty screwed. Mavs have never moved up in the lottery, now would be a great time for that to change.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

I´m sure they are thinking let´s destroy our 51 wins starting five with an average age of 24 for some of the trash on that asset-starved lottery team. 

And the Wolves aren´t trading #10 for McDaniels either. They pissed away all their assets for Gobert, but drew the line at McDaniels, cause his upside is Jaylen Brown. 3rd season stats are virtually identical.

There are no quick fixes, especially not for a front office that has proven to be bottom five in the league over the last decade.

Well, Mobley isn't going anywhere, but in 2023 you can't have two bigs on the court at the same time if you want to go far.

[ItsGoTime]

Well, Mobley isn't going anywhere, but in 2023 you can't have two bigs on the court at the same time if you want to go far.

I think if 1 of those 2 had a reliable 3 shot, it would be the best bet to being the exception to the rule. Both are switchable and both can play help defense under the rim.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

If the Cavs are looking to get away from that double big man lineup Jarrett Allen could be a great target if they were interested in a deal based around the 10th pick. Also had interest in THJ so.. ? THJ recovered some value after his injury so that's good at least.

Mavs do probably need to take some risks on distressed assets that they think they can recover. Ayton might be too risky though. I can see the idea that he is not trying at all because he hates the franchise and won't put forth any effort until he's moved, but still that contract makes it tough to get good value. At least this regime has shown they can rebuild assets like they did with Dinwiddie even though that KP deal sucked.

Mavs road to recovery really comes down to lottery balls. If they can get a top 4 pick they should have lots of options and could probably easily fill out the roster. 10th can be worked with. Drop to 11th+ and they're pretty screwed. Mavs have never moved up in the lottery, now would be a great time for that to change.

Precisely.  Unless one of your bigs is stretch, you can't go far with two bigs.  NYK really exposed this with CLE.  Look at the remaining teams:

MIA - Bam/Love
NYK - Robinson/Randle
PHX- Ayton/Durant
DEN - Jokic/Gordon
PHL - Embid/Harris
BOS - Horford/Tatum
GS - Green/Wiggins
LAL - AD/Lebron

I'd do THJ/#10 for Allen/Levert

[Jakeospikez]

Mobley can maybe develop a 3pt shot but it's not looking like it's coming anytime soon.

Levert expired so doubt that's an option anymore. That was a TDL rumor to shed THJ.

[Ghost of Podkolzin]

1. Something around THJ/10th for J. Allen
2. Something around Kyrie for Jrue/G. Allen
3. Resign Wood

Point - Luka
Guard - Jrue
Guard - Green
Forward - Wood
Center - J. Allen
Bench - Hardy, Bullock, G. Allen, Maxi, Powell, Morris, Justin Holliday, Bertans

[SleepingHero]

1.  Something around THJ/10th for J. Allen
2.  Something around Kyrie for Jrue/G. Allen
3.  Resign Wood

Point - Luka
Guard - Jrue
Guard - Green
Forward - Wood
Center - J. Allen
Bench - Hardy, Bullock, G. Allen, Maxi, Powell, Morris, Justin Holliday, Bertans

Ghosty I love ya man but ya gotta try and stop making Wood try to happen. 

It's not gonna happen. He's long gone. 




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In regards to the other stuff, if all it took was #10 for Allen I'd be all for a deal centered around that. I think Cleveland has their sights set on something bigger perhaps. Maybe a 3 team trade where Allen is sent somewhere, other players are sent to Toronto, and Siakam heads to Cleveland. 

Something like that.

Maybe the Mavs can fill in the 2+FRP for a Siakam trade, but I think we'd all rather want him over Allen if we're gonna be fronting the bill in this hypothetical random scenario.

As for your 2nd deal, Kyrie for Jrue+Allen. That's not a bad one. I think Jrue would be incredible here. Although he does look like he's lost a slight step. He's also openly contemplated retiring after his current contract, so I'm skeptical about his full commitment (which is ironic given Kyrie is the other option).