2021-2022 ROSTER TALK: [ARCHIVED]

[dirkfansince1998]

Turner is a top 3 rim protector but it feels like he lost some mobility and isn´t quite as good on the perimeter these days. Still better than KP in both categories.
When he was drafted I expected KP to turn into one of the best shooting bigs in the league but in reality he is slightly below average. Turner is one of many bigs that is shooting way better percentages from midrange (volume reduced in the last couple of seasons) Similar percentages from 3 (better this season). Downside is Turner´s mediocre pick and roll play.
I don´t think the Mavs would lose a lot on offense. Especially if losing KP increases the usage of Brunson and another (to be added) ballhandler.

[dirkfansince1998]

I think he was always playing that kind of defense (at least pre-injury). It's just that it has been mixed into an overall team system that capitalizes on it more lately.

Interesting. I thought pre-injury he was on a different level as a pick and roll player but not as good on defense. When he first returned I mentioned something similar on this board and questioned if he would make the Bogut-like transformation from offensive minded big to defensive specialist. Thankfully he recovered some of his bounce and still has his moments on offense.
Just feels like he is playing smarter these days. On both ends.

[KillerLeft]

Downside is Turner´s mediocre pick and roll play.

How much of this is due to the poor fit with Sabonis, and how much of it is just who Turner is? I don't know the answer, but I hope the Mavs do. 

Can't run effective pnr with Turner while Sabonis is in the paint, same as you can't do it with Powell while Porzingis is in the way.

[Mavs2021]

I'm not sure I'd give up a FRP for Turner.  We are so close to getting our handcuffs off and prolonging them is something I'd only do for no-brainer trade.

Agreed. Turner is good defensively, no questions there, but  we are talking about offensive production of 13/7 in 30 MPG. If you package THJ + Brunson + DFS + future 1st round picks you are in the conversation for Ben Simmons or Bradley Beal, not Myles Turner.

THJ + X for Turner is enough. We might have been desperate 3-4 weeks ago. The Pacers still are. We can just continue like this for another month and the trade value of Brunson + Green only goes up. 

Turner is unhappy. TJ Warren still hasn´t played. Lamb barely plays. So we take one of their expiring non-rotational players in exchange for THJ + Kleber that should be more than enough compensation. It helps increase our cap flexibility for Brunson/DFS, while also freeing up minutes for Green/Ntilikina/Brown, otherwise I´m not even sure I´d make the deal.

[KillerLeft]

Interesting. I thought pre-injury he was on a different level as a pick and roll player but not as good on defense. When he first returned I mentioned something similar on this board and questioned if he would make the Bogut-like transformation from offensive minded big to defensive specialist. Thankfully he recovered some of his bounce and still has his moments on offense.
Just feels like he is playing smarter these days. On both ends.

Yeah, I'm not trying to take away from the effort or intelligence he's playing with now, I'm just pointing out that what he does well on defense can be hard to spot if the team defense isn't functioning at a high level. He's definitely not a "swoop in at the last minute to erase a mistake" type of defender.

[StrandedOnBeauboisHill]

Just to add onto the "Myles Turner isn't as good as you think" party, he's also a very underwhelming rebounder for his size.  Porzingis has historically put up better rebounding numbers than him which is surprising.

[Kammrath]

I'm just pointing out that what he does well on defense can be hard to spot if the team defense isn't functioning at a high level

I'm with you. I think DP has been for the most part an underrated defender.

[Kammrath]

Shoot, DP has been a consistent anchor in one of the best defenses in the NBA this year.

[Mavs2021]

Just to add onto the "Myles Turner isn't as good as you think" party, he's also a very underwhelming rebounder for his size.  Porzingis has historically put up better rebounding numbers than him which is surprising.

Well we can´t just focus on the negative. He´s clearly sulking and probably has for a while. Carlisle barely has time for one non-rolling big man. Now he has two.

Coming home, playing with better teammates on a legit contender; there are many arguments that Turner will be a better player in Dallas than he is in Indiana right now.

I just don´t see much of an argument why we pay more than the Cavs have for Jarrett Allen (which was a late 1st and a 2nd round pick), who is a better player.

[dirkfansince1998]

Just to add onto the "Myles Turner isn't as good as you think" party, he's also a very underwhelming rebounder for his size.  Porzingis has historically put up better rebounding numbers than him which is surprising.

I think he suffers from the Maxi Kleber syndrom. He is trying to contest every single shot and at times that leaves him in a bad position or leads to a missed boxout.

[mvossman]

Just to add onto the "Myles Turner isn't as good as you think" party, he's also a very underwhelming rebounder for his size.  Porzingis has historically put up better rebounding numbers than him which is surprising.

I do wonder how much of this is because he is playing with Sabonis.  When KP moved from PF with Nicks to Center with the Mavs he started getting roughly two more rebounds a game.

[F Gump]

1 Maybe the Mavs interest looks something like this.

Powell -THJ - WCS   FOR  Turner - Lavert - ___ (small salary waivable player)

2 Both Powell and THJ were long-time starters for RC. He knows their strengths. Perhaps they have the ability to provide skills he needs in Indy.

3 We know the Mavs players have flaws, but neither Turner nor Lavert are special. Both have issues.

4 Indy is bumping against the tax line, and undoubtedly wants to send out more salary than they get. More saving is probably even better. Could the Mavs use that need to their advantage?

[ItsGoTime]

How about:
Mavs get - MT and Brogdon
Ind gets - JB and Hayward 
Cha gets - KP

That clears up a lot of issues for all teams.

[Mikelo]

Brogdon cannot be traded this season,

[ItsGoTime]

Brogdon cannot be traded this season,

Ah

[DanSchwartzgan]

Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks did a podcast focused on Turner and Indy back in mid-December.  They theorized  the most interested teams would be:

NY.   (Maybe something like Noel, Topin and #1)
CHO. (PJ Washington, Plumlee and #1)

Main thing is both Charlotte and NY were putting up veteran filler, a youngster and a pick.  SO, that area is probably the line to get past.  I don’t want to give up a youngster because Brunson and Green are our youngsters.  I’d also rather not give up a pick and clutter our asset sheet for years to come.

On another note, if there is a deal to be done with Indy, I think Maxi is a better fit with Sabonis than Powell would be.  I get the Carlisle/Powell thing, but I think they would prioritize Maxi.      

BTW, When they discussed Brooklyn as a Turner destination, they mentioned Dallas…but as a recipient of Irving.  They think some of the Dallas role players would be really helpful to the Nets and they are basically getting nothing from Irving now.  THJ, S. Brown and Willie is basically an exact money match for Irving.

[Mikelo]

I do not understand the infatuation with Turner..KP is our 5 when it gets serious ... we need a striker that matches KP, (a big wing that can defend the perimeter) and does not obstruct the painting in attack .. Ok let's change for Turner and send it to Toronto for Siakam or Anunoby ... that's the move we should make in my opinion, to fit the pieces together ..

Turner / Bullock / WCS to RAPTORS

They get the center they need, a 3D back to cover Siakam

Brunson / Maxi / Dallas 26 To PACERS

He gets the savings to pay for Jalen and a striker who matches Sabonis

Siakam/Craig to MAVS

We are going for a Guard to replace Brunson with the TPE (Kemba / Burks / Sato) ...

Luka/Green?/DFS/Siakam/KP
Kemba?/Frank/THJ/Craig/Powell
Burke/SBrown/Pinson/Chris/MBrown

[MAVS-SLO]

I don't know why such a hype around all those trade rumours. We are improving by every game and as the season goes i think we are on the good path to become 1 piece away from becoming a contender.

We managed to get back a good chemistry, we managed to get back and ''old KP'', we find that 3 star in Jalen Brunson, Green looks like he could become a rotational player... We finally got a system and we still didn't play a game at the full strength. 

And in my opinion i wouldn't destory this just to go into another rebuild which wouldn't put as to contenders while we would probably end up loosing another draft picks...

Normally, if a good player become available and cheap go for it, but i wouldn't give up all important playes and all draft picks to get Siakam (assume what they will want for him if they are having such big expectations for Dragic)...

In my opinion a player like Knox in the offseason and draft where it looks like it could be a lot of sleepers i wouldn't make any trades where we are losing important players and draft picks..

A players like AJ Griffin, Caleb Houstan, Jovic, Davis, Cleveland, maybe even Patrick Baldwin can probably be available around 20 pick..

And there is also a lot of players who are currently moving from 10 pick to the even 50 pick in the 2 round pick...

[aguiar95]

My 2 cents on Turner: 

He's another 3&D player that can't put the ball down and make a play. Will probably be a negative on offense, unless he shows something we haven't seen so far in IND. Can't playmake, mediocre rim-running ability. We're reliying on his 35% career 3-pt shooting for him to become something here.

Defensively he's a beast. Oviously great shotblocking ability (bites on a lot of fakes and gives up tons of offensive rebounds chasing stats) but need a rebounder next to him to be effective. Have seen him guard 1-5 effectively and he's a lot better on switches than our man KP. Pairing KP-Turner would be far from ideal (except it's a major upgrade in talent). 

To me he's not a game-changer and not a guy i'd pursue with our current asset/roster situation. Unless KP is going somewhere, it's really hard to see him being here. And if Kp's going somewhere, we definetely need to address another good offensive piece out of our lineup (we'd be left with only Luka/JB as our offensive pieces).

[Jym]

I don't get why everyone hates the idea of pairing KP and Turner
Isn't he just a better version of Maxi?