Trade & FA 2023-24: 76ers Believe They Have A Shot at PG13

[dirkfansince1998]

I don't think you guys saw the screenshot I posted of Murray's leaked DM's with a fan where he complains about not being the primary playmaker, playing without rhythm, and relegated to a spot up position. None of that will be alleviated here. In fact I think it'd probably be worse.

Kyrie Irving is a better player right now than Murray, health issues aside. And the most underrated aspect is that he accepts his role as being the number 2 guy. That's hard to find in a guy with his talent level.

Is Kyrie the best most ideal fit? No. But he does fit. Like KL said, he fits better than KP and the vision is there. I'm not motivated trading Kyrie away unless it brings back a star of equal value that fits. Like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkannen, Donovan Mitchell. These type of dudes.

45/46 games from Murray or 27/47 games from Kyrie. Who is providing more value? Kyrie's issue is health/durability.

[BigDirk41]

I don't think you guys saw the screenshot I posted of Murray's leaked DM's with a fan where he complains about not being the primary playmaker, playing without rhythm, and relegated to a spot up position. None of that will be alleviated here. In fact I think it'd probably be worse.

Kyrie Irving is a better player right now than Murray, health issues aside. And the most underrated aspect is that he accepts his role as being the number 2 guy. That's hard to find in a guy with his talent level.

Is Kyrie the best most ideal fit? No. But he does fit. Like KL said, he fits better than KP and the vision is there. I'm not motivated trading Kyrie away unless it brings back a star of equal value that fits. Like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkannen, Donovan Mitchell. These type of dudes.

My argument to that is that he probably thinks he's a better player than Trey Young. He won't have any illusions of thinking he's better than Luka. Also 55-60 games of a guy that's a 90 rating for example isn't as good as a guy that's an 85, that will give us 75 or more games. Kyrie isn't getting us any of the players you mentioned.

[youzigizag]

Wasnt Murray playing excellent defense the other night? Especially late game?

I guess excellent is subjective. But he sure looked like he was trying and making things frustrating for Luka a few times. Enough for Luka to shake his head at the dude in a "Whatever. Youre not better than me even though you just D'd me up well" kinda way.

The hate Ky Irving gets when the dude has always seemed to accept being 2nd fiddle(on like 3 teams at least) when he is a #1 on most teams...it doesnt make sense. He seems like a good teammate to me...on the court and off.

[BigDirk41]

45/46 games from Murray or 27/47 games from Kyrie. Who is providing more value? Kyrie's issue is health/durability.

Kyrie missed more than I realized. Wow

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Wasnt Murray playing excellent defense the other night?  Especially late game?

I guess excellent is subjective.  But he sure looked like he was trying and making things frustrating for Luka a few times.  Enough for Luka to shake his head at the dude in a "Whatever.  Youre not better than me even though you just D'd me up well" kinda way.

The hate Ky Irving gets when the dude has always seemed to accept being 2nd fiddle(on like 3 teams at least) when he is a #1 on most teams...it doesnt make sense.  He seems like a good teammate to me...on the court and off.

Nobody hates Kyrie. He's not available to play. He's an amazing player when he's on the court. He's been an amazing person since he's been here.

[omahen]

What are your thoughts on the suggested 3 way a few weeks ago where Kyrie goes to LA and Murray comes here?  He is not as good as Kyrie, but he is younger, healthier, and has a history of playing defense before Atlanta.  That would allow us more patience in the team building process.

I think Murray is a very good player and could fit next to Luka. However, a couple of things about that. 

I think Kyrie is a better player and Mavs should be compensated in addition to just getting Murray. But, LA doesn't have the assets to get Murray on his own. Perhaps in the summer, when they can offer 2 picks (2029 and 2031).

Murrays rumored biggest issue in Atlanta was that he wasn't the PG. He would have same problem in Dallas.

[BigDirk41]

I think Murray is a very good player and could fit next to Luka. However, a couple of things about that. 

I think Kyrie is a better player and Mavs should be compensated in addition to just getting Murray. But, LA doesn't have the assets to get Murray on his own. Perhaps in the summer, when they can offer 2 picks (2029 and 2031).

Murrays rumored biggest issue in Atlanta was that he wasn't the PG. He would have same problem in Dallas.

That's all very possible and I don't care if it's Murray specifically. I would just be open to moving Kyrie for a player that plays 75 games and is almost as good.

[KillerLeft]

I don't think you guys saw the screenshot I posted of Murray's leaked DM's with a fan where he complains about not being the primary playmaker, playing without rhythm, and relegated to a spot up position. None of that will be alleviated here. In fact I think it'd probably be worse. 

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Murrays rumored biggest issue in Atlanta was that he wasn't the PG. He would have same problem in Dallas.

This is the end of it, for me. No interest in players with any chance to be a poor fit with Luka. Can't afford to get even one more big deal wrong, at this point.

[BigDirk41]

The Mavs will be forced to do something at some point if Kyrie continues to play 55 games a season. Luka will be washed by 30 at this rate. He has to do WAY too much every single game.

[KillerLeft]

The Mavs will be forced to do something at some point if Kyrie continues to play 55 games a season. Luka will be washed by 30 at this rate. He has to do WAY too much every single game.

I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

[BigDirk41]

I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

Yeah I can't argue that. I just don't think it's good for Luka who is the prize in Dallas. The roster around them two doesn't help either.

[HoosierDaddyKidd]

Wasnt Murray playing excellent defense the other night?  Especially late game?

I guess excellent is subjective.  But he sure looked like he was trying and making things frustrating for Luka a few times.  Enough for Luka to shake his head at the dude in a "Whatever.  Youre not better than me even though you just D'd me up well" kinda way.

The hate Ky Irving gets when the dude has always seemed to accept being 2nd fiddle(on like 3 teams at least) when he is a #1 on most teams...it doesnt make sense.  He seems like a good teammate to me...on the court and off.

This year he is. Maybe he's matured. Just a couple of years ago, he was a handful on and off the court.

[BigDirk41]

I think I was more hopeful that a lot of those missed games in previous years were because he was unhappy and it wouldn't be such an issue here since he's happy. It's clear to me now that he just can't stay healthy and isn't someone to play through stuff like Luka does.

[Winter]

I think these trades for Murray are an empty fantasy, but the thread title here doesn't require logic.

The Mavs might acquire a G/SF type, but if it happens at all, it almost certainly will be in addition to a big - someone 6'8" or more who can defend and rebound. And while I wouldn't mind seeing Kyrie traded, I would say the odds of that are about 1 out of 100.

Acquiring a guard without acquiring a PF-type, would be negligence. I would think doing nothing at all more likely than just acquiring G/SF type.

[BigDirk41]

I expect them to trade for a 4 also.

[DallasMaverick]

I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

In my opinion, "fit" trumps "talent".  I'd much rather have 55 games of Kyrie than 75 of Murray, even if we somehow decided that they had equal talent.

Kyrie is a great fit, both on the court and off.  He's been hurt, so less available, perhaps, but any player can get hurt.  Lots of Mavs have missed lots of games this season.  And I'd argue that a lot of his recent unavailability (Brooklyn) didn't have anything to do with being hurt, so can't really be used to project forward.

KP was hurt a lot, also, but when healthy, he just wasn't a great fit.

[omahen]

Kyrie will be expiring next season (player option). A lot of course depends on how this season plays out. But, Mavs will have to make a decision. Do you extend him and for how long? Do you trade him while he still has value? His value will likely decrease each year and he might also just walk next summer. It will be an interesting summer. I would opt for trading him, if they are not able to get a good two way wing.

[mvossman]

I don't know...I'm pretty confident they KNEW he was going to play 55 games per when they made the trade. If not, they should have. Again, he hasn't put in a full season of work for 6-7 years.

Its all moot anyways.  I don't think there is any chance this franchise trades Kyrie.  He has history with Nico and he is the big fish that Cuban has been hunting for since the championship.  Plus he has been great in the locker room.

Same probably goes for GWill.  In most of the trades mentioned for Timmy outgoing (like PJ) I would much rather send out GWill, but I don't think there is any change that happens.  He was brought in as a quality 3&D guy (which hasn't panned out) but also as a Luka buddy.  I think its very unlikely they send him out at the deadline.

[omahen]

In my opinion, "fit" trumps "talent".  I'd much rather have 55 games of Kyrie than 75 of Murray, even if we somehow decided that they had equal talent.

Kyrie is a great fit, both on the court and off.  He's been hurt, so less available, perhaps, but any player can get hurt.  Lots of Mavs have missed lots of games this season.  And I'd argue that a lot of his recent unavailability (Brooklyn) didn't have anything to do with being hurt, so can't really be used to project forward.

KP was hurt a lot, also, but when healthy, he just wasn't a great fit.

Not sure Kyrie really is a great fit. On one hand it is great that he is capable of leading the team by himself while also playing the second fiddle to Luka. On the other hand, constructing a workable defense around Luka and Kyrie will be extremely difficult. Not to mention Kyrie is already 32. I think it is a very binary option. Either you go all in constructing a team around them in an effort to win in a year or two, or you trade him. I am fully aware Mavs will not trade him at TDL. Summer though...

[youzigizag]

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This is the end of it, for me. No interest in players with any chance to be a poor fit with Luka. Can't afford to get even one more big deal wrong, at this point.

Im ready for the Mavs to just make Brooklyn an offer they cant refuse for Bridges.

I know we want a taller, longer 4 who defends, rebounds and can hit a 3 with our assets...but it doesnt seem like they are easy to find.

Bridges seems like the best player out of all the guys talked about on here...(Washington, Murray, Grant)...if he is gettable with your assets go get him.

Im tired of trying to find guys to put around Luka...seems like such a chore.  Bridges is probably the best even if not a 4.   Get Bridges and find a defensive, rebounding 4 in the bargain isle.

Tired of waiting around watching the Luka clock tick.

[Scott41theMavs]

T-minus 10 days to the trade deadline.