Of Freedom, Country and Vaccination

[Dahlsim]

If you are refering to Tenpenny or Palevsky as experts we can´t. Red line for me. We can end the discussion right here. They have already done enough damage.
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I'm not designated who are experts or who is not, I guess you do that. Is Faucci and expert for example? If so he's changed his own public positions and directions more than once so who is to say the life and death directives he offers now he won't later change but it will be too late for some people to get his updated expert guidance right?

I specifically referred to credentials and people that have various credentials and years of specialized experience. I'm not fond of the game of picking the experts. I could list here 20 doctors and medical scientists that happen to hold varying opinions from the ones stated here as though they are accepted facts.

You could in turn reject every one of them without even hearing a word they would say just on the basis of character assassination or challenges to the person rather than the argument.
Ad hominem attacks and responses do not increase the scientific nature and reliability of research or the accuracy of results, they can only really reduce and corrupt the entire inquiry.

I haven´t even argued in favor of a vaccine mandate even though as a medical worker I would absolutely support it.

You do know that thousands of healthcare workers including nurses have been fired because they did not take the same position as you right? Thousands of others have only taken the position and the vaccine because they were financially pressured and forced to.

So you support forcing your peers to take mandated injections. Is is because you know they are so much less informed and intelligent than you are?

We can talk about the risk/reward situation in individual cases (for example pre existing conditions) but the overall data is as clear as it could be.

Sigh. Every position you hold on the matter is invalidated right there. So clear to you must be considered clear to everyone? How could the data possibly be clear as it could be when we know literally thousands of adverse cases are not counted so how is it you know the clear data?
Seriously your research has to be very one sided to make that statement.

Putting aside adverse reactions, do you recognize how many studies have not been done or only have small samples sizes because the urgency and speed of implementation?
Do you recognize how many possible long term effects of the vaccinations are simply not knowable yet because there hasn't been time for long term studies yet?

Have you researched some of the complaints and studies that have been put forth for example concerning potential adverse effects on pregnant women and the reports of miscarriages?
Again I'm not saying I know these issues to be valid but to say the data is clear as it could be is serious absurdity and its scary that clearly intelligent citizens such as yourself are carrying that water.

Is there a certain point where you draw a line? Is it all about me and my personal freedom and opinion or is there a certain point where the potential damage it is doing to other lifes and the society is not acceptable. Is there some kind of responsibility?

Of course. We all in a civil society and community have a responsibility to not only ourselves but to the good of the entire community we belong to.
I am simply saying that for you or anyone else to support and implement a forced injection into people's bodies then write off let's just say thousands that suffer severe consequences as "hey its for the good of the whole" is maybe being well meaning but is in fact irresponsible.

This is especially true when all the data and effects of the injection are absolutely not clear or incomplete at this time. The line is drawn at a choice for people to make over their own bodies.
The line is not drawn to surrender citizens bodies to societal pressure, financial coercion and government mandates.

Encourage and educate your fellow citizens so they can make their own informed decisions for their good and the good of the whole. Let them hear all the information they are willing to research for themselves then decide. Do you have a problem with that?