I know we're not winning the chip this year...

[Mavs2021]

First, nice response!




That's fine. I don't have a dog in that fight. I don't know enough.




I don't think "it's your spot to lose" vs "it's your spot to earn" even accurately characterizes the reality. It's more like "we're committed to helping you become the best player you can be, and the process is going to include game time and practice." The, rotation spots are fluid based on a combination of team and individual needs. Green MIGHT have been given even more development attention than Iwundu, but that's a total guess. It would have been great if Iwundu could have developed as well. 


This was done with Green. He played a good bit at the beginning of the season. No one told me, so this is a guess too, but it appears that Green got minutes early in the season, the coaching staff decided he needed some further development via practice and watching from the bench, and he was taken out of the every day rotation. Fast forward, and he returns to the rotation looking comfortable and contributing to winning. You've used Green as an addition to your long time argument against the Mavs player development methods, when in fact, Green is evidence in the other direction.


I just don't think this is true. You're making a caricature of the Mavs methods in order to argue against them. 





I dont' see people excuse KP. Mostly they either believe he can learn to fit better or want to trade him. And everyone wishes his defense was as good as it was last year. Regarding getting Green the ball, I see him receiving the ball from multiple folks and fitting really well into the offense at the moment. 


It really doesn't make sense to you that there was more room for DFS to get minutes than for Green because we're actually trying to win now? And again, Green is bad for your argument. He's contributing to a playoff team. Brunson and Luka both got minutes on teams that were actually trying to win. So they don't support your argument at all. They're just examples of two rookies that were more ready for playing time.

Were they more ready or were they just given more time to develop in game? Dorian shot 37% from the field and 29% from three in his rookie season, for the whole year and in 81 games. You can´t tell me that he was more ready or that Carlisle would have tolerated it from a rookie in a WIN NOW situation. Bit different if Iwundu and Johnson do it.   

Of course the team tanking is a legit argument. At the same time, you can´t use it as an example of the successful Carlisle/Mavs standard (rookie development) method we have grown accustomed to over the last decade, when their cases are completely different. They were successful, when they tried the regular consistent minutes approach.

And my views on rookies minutes are far more nuanced and I have explained them many times. When the Pistons roll out a 10 man rotation with an average age of 23 and NBA experience of 800 games total, then there simply have to be 10 minutes for Tyler Bey. The Pistons play 240 minutes of inexperienced players and we are not good enough to incorporate Bey instead of Melli for 10 minutes. Then it´s not the rookie that´s the problem, it´s the overall quality of the roster AND the coaching.

There are so many games every regular season you can use rookies. The Thunder started five rookies against us and beat us. How can Carlisle sit there and not send the messages to the veterans at halftime that this is not acceptable? Why doesn´t he say: Okay you guys don´t fancy it tonight. Bey, Green, Hinton you start the 2nd half. It´s that lack of accountability that can also be detrimental to the team.