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THJ is terrible and these MAVs will be swept by the Clippers
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(08-11-2020, 04:19 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote:
(08-11-2020, 02:21 PM)omahen Wrote:
(08-11-2020, 01:34 PM)chaparral Wrote: So would Indy take THJ & the 18th pick for Turner?  Maybe Indy would want more?


I would say this is a bit light offer for them. However, lets say we do the deal around this package, adding some sweeteners. How do you cover the gap left behind THJ departure? He was a very important piece of our offense.
Lots of answers to this question. 


First, on offense alone.
  • he could (and should) turn out to be about a 15ppg player, if not more 
  • if he can get and keep his 3% up in the 36-38% range consistently that would go far in making that (the 15ppg) happen. He's young and practicing  3's, so he has a bit of time and willingness to make that happen 
  • he adds offensive rebounding to a team that doesn't do that very much
  • he makes the defending team pick their poison between him and KP with their bigs, or smalls. Either of the 2 (along with Luka) can post up on smaller guys, Luka and Turner become the banging type of post up player while KP is the finesse one. That adds more dynamics to our high powered offense. Having the choice of who to feed the ball into the post to is a pretty big luxury
  • he's another pick and roll partner for any ball handler, and that play creates a high % shot
  • he'll learn to pass more and better playing with Luka. Passing is contagious as we saw with Kidd 
Second, on defense.
  • he defends the biggest guy on the opposing team leaving KP with less of a banger who will wear him down. That in turn allows him to have more energy on offense and also allows him to roam the paint more to be the defensive sniper. 
  • He adds blocks which can add offensive possessions
  • more defensive stops creates more offensive possessions
Quick fact check:

Offense
  • His usage rate has been around 20% with a career low 17% this year. Career high 14.5 pts on 10.7 FGA/58.5% TS. This year 12pts on 9.4 FGA/ 56.8% TS. Seems reasonable to expect 15pts in a more featured role.
  • 3-point shooting seems to be at least league average. Increased his volume every year. This year nearly half of his shots come from 3-point range (44%). Percentage peaked at 39% on 2.6 attempts in 2019. This year he nearly doubled his volume (4.1 attempts) but the efficiency suffered (34%). For comparisation: Maxi (4.3 att/ 37%), KP (7 att/ 34%)
  • Mavs rank 10th in ORR. Last in transition D. Compared to previous seasons rebounding and the possession game in general has been a strength. Turner is similar to bigs like KP or Dirk. Plays on the perimeter on offense and isn´t in position to go for offensive rebounds. Only averaged 1.3 this season. Career high 1.7 when he played closer to the basket.
  • Turner is not a banger or post player. In previous seasons nearly 50% of his shots came from midrange. This year he replaced most of them with 3s. For a player of his size his shooting volume in the paint is really low. He has a nice turnaround jumper but won´t backdown smaller players and dunk on them. 62.4 percentile in the post.
  • He has been a bad pick and roll player. 41.7 percentile as the roll man. Low volume and not the 1st option. Obviously a difficult situation next to a paint scorer like Sabonis.
  • Really hope that´s true but looking at KPs improvement this season I agree that coaching, scheme and teammates matter. So far he has a negative ast/tov ratio for his career.
Defense
  • 60.1 percentile as a post defender. Similar to KP he makes most of his impact as a help defender. Nevertheless it makes sense to match him up with the best opposing big. RC is already doing it with Maxi when he shares the floor with KP.
  • See above. Good help defender. Woul really help the team to have a mobile rim protector on the floor for 48 minutes/82 games. Just stagger his minutes with KP.
  • Overall he would clearly improve the defense but I think a more complentary piece that can switch the pick and roll and defend the perimeter would be a better fit next to KP. Turner can move his feet but tends to stay in the paint and allows nearly 40% from 3-point range according to tracking data.
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RE: THJ is terrible and these MAVs will be swept by the Clippers - by dirkfansince1998 - 08-11-2020, 05:11 PM

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