MKG

[SleepingHero]

I'd say it's no surprise that BPM doesn't like MKG because it has a box score component in it's derivation.

That is fair, but it also takes into account of the teams overall performance while the player is on the court, just like On/Off. Which was my main point. That team based stats can be relatively skewed based on a variety of factors and does not paint an accurate picture of individual offensive talent/performance.

HIS. BPM will ALWAYS hate him. He doesn't fill the boxscore enough to be visible there. That metric can be helpful for some guys, but it tells you nothing helpful about MKG in my opinion.

I mean that is my entire point. There is always a stat that can paint a rosy picture for ANY argument for ANY player. That's why I attest that MKG is not a good offensive player, or is contributing in any meaningful way on the offensive side of the court, despite the fact that you keep bringing up his On/Off numbers as if it points to something that everyone is missing. 

Furthermore I tried to highlight the inherent problem of using team based stats to quantify the impact of an individual because team based stats always have the component of OTHER factors contributing/affecting whatever you're trying to measure. Which was what I was trying to signify in my Magic/Bird/Jordan/MKG/Kareem lineup. 

The funny thing is, I think MKG could have a role in our offense and perform well in that role. He has great length, hustles, etc. And I think Carlisle can find something for him. But SO FAR, BASED ON A LIMITED SAMPLE SIZE, he hasn't fit in well at all. And because of his entire career, where he has always been a limited offensive player, I believe the ceiling of how successful he can contribute to the offense is significantly capped, and him being out there WILL affect how our other 4 players are guarded, because they can essentially sag off of MKG.