DS, not sure you quite get the gist of my post. I will try again.
If you want to say I'm unrealistic, are you saying you think I am not properly perceiving the MAVS' approach or mindset? My thinking is that if the Mavs won't deal, there is no deal, so to me what matters is "what will the Mavs do a deal for." I am opining from that angle, as I perceive it to be.
I get the pushback that "other teams won't want to pay that much." Sure, they all would want a steal, right? (Then again, do we REALLY know what a team will truly pay? They aren't wanting outsiders to know their top limit, that's for sure.) But in any event, other teams' won't dictate what an actual trade will look like -- the Mavs HAVE TO be thrilled enough to pull the trigger at that level.
If they do a trade, I do reserve the right to say whether I think it's a stupid trade or not. But at this point, I am thinking about what I think a trade COULD look like, if it were to happen (in light of what I think the Mavs are doing), and not what it should look like.
My sincere belief is that the Mavs (or, to be specific, Dumont) are expecting X-Y-Z for AD or else they just won't deal. From what I am seeing and from what I think I know, I don't think they are all that interested in trading AD if they don't get offers satisfying that criteria -- ie, I don't think they are scared of a no-trade outcome.
To satisfy the Mavs, I think the bar is fairly high, and essentially is that they will expect to get a path to some sort of BIG TALENT, a top starter at least, either now or via a reasonable chance of eventually being there (if it's a younger player or a pick or three), because that's how THEY see what they would be letting go of (AD). (Note: I'm not convinced they see Risacher as meeting that criteria - his inclusion may have been important to them primarily because he has a larger salary, and they were needing more salary to make the trade work.) While helpful, I don't think they see payroll savings as being a primary goal. They can get that a number of other ways, but they can't get a star big man like AD other ways. (Of course, if they otherwise have decided to move AD, they would certainly want to wrap those savings in that deal rather than have to chase them another way.)
I try to talk about an AD trade with those things in mind.
For those who think AD is worthless and needs to be moved no matter what, obviously to them what I am saying is not "realistic," but I don't think the Mavs feel that way about AD at all - and thus won't bargain that way. And AD - even with his flaws - is not easy to replace and uniquely fills a huge number of vital needs for a team. I think the NBA (and particularly the Mavs) value that way more than most seem to.
Also, your point about the danger of waiting is way off point for me. [In general, it's a valid thing to weigh, but I have not been speaking to that issue at all.]
Sure, any choice has risk. But I am not evaluating risk/reward on trade/no trade at all, but only opining on what I think trade offers will need to look like (more or less) to get AD from the Mavs.
PS - The Mavs need that expert GM, not any ole exec, to figure these things out and avoid the land mines. Presti, please! I know Dumont can afford to pay for the best, right?
If you want to say I'm unrealistic, are you saying you think I am not properly perceiving the MAVS' approach or mindset? My thinking is that if the Mavs won't deal, there is no deal, so to me what matters is "what will the Mavs do a deal for." I am opining from that angle, as I perceive it to be.
I get the pushback that "other teams won't want to pay that much." Sure, they all would want a steal, right? (Then again, do we REALLY know what a team will truly pay? They aren't wanting outsiders to know their top limit, that's for sure.) But in any event, other teams' won't dictate what an actual trade will look like -- the Mavs HAVE TO be thrilled enough to pull the trigger at that level.
If they do a trade, I do reserve the right to say whether I think it's a stupid trade or not. But at this point, I am thinking about what I think a trade COULD look like, if it were to happen (in light of what I think the Mavs are doing), and not what it should look like.
My sincere belief is that the Mavs (or, to be specific, Dumont) are expecting X-Y-Z for AD or else they just won't deal. From what I am seeing and from what I think I know, I don't think they are all that interested in trading AD if they don't get offers satisfying that criteria -- ie, I don't think they are scared of a no-trade outcome.
To satisfy the Mavs, I think the bar is fairly high, and essentially is that they will expect to get a path to some sort of BIG TALENT, a top starter at least, either now or via a reasonable chance of eventually being there (if it's a younger player or a pick or three), because that's how THEY see what they would be letting go of (AD). (Note: I'm not convinced they see Risacher as meeting that criteria - his inclusion may have been important to them primarily because he has a larger salary, and they were needing more salary to make the trade work.) While helpful, I don't think they see payroll savings as being a primary goal. They can get that a number of other ways, but they can't get a star big man like AD other ways. (Of course, if they otherwise have decided to move AD, they would certainly want to wrap those savings in that deal rather than have to chase them another way.)
I try to talk about an AD trade with those things in mind.
For those who think AD is worthless and needs to be moved no matter what, obviously to them what I am saying is not "realistic," but I don't think the Mavs feel that way about AD at all - and thus won't bargain that way. And AD - even with his flaws - is not easy to replace and uniquely fills a huge number of vital needs for a team. I think the NBA (and particularly the Mavs) value that way more than most seem to.
Also, your point about the danger of waiting is way off point for me. [In general, it's a valid thing to weigh, but I have not been speaking to that issue at all.]
Sure, any choice has risk. But I am not evaluating risk/reward on trade/no trade at all, but only opining on what I think trade offers will need to look like (more or less) to get AD from the Mavs.
PS - The Mavs need that expert GM, not any ole exec, to figure these things out and avoid the land mines. Presti, please! I know Dumont can afford to pay for the best, right?
* Dumont reportedly "has no problem going into next year with a healthy AD and a healthy Kyrie with Cooper Flagg and seeing what it looks like."
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