Trade & FA 2024-25:

[mvossman]

I don't appreciate when someone tries to shade the truth (or even hide it) when someone does it with me to try to "win" rather than have an honest transparent discussion of the facts. The idea that SD wasn't an asset a year or two later, after his production fell way off the table, in no way speaks to his value on trade date. Get real. And 3 picks are 3 picks, in this era, which is exactly what was stated. That's why.

As for Giannis, he's a great player but a pipe dream on every level -- the biggest issue being how his salary is too cumbersome to add to a hard cap that has another supermax and still have enough payroll to obtain the rest of the talent to compete. See Bucks, Milwaukee. I'm very comfortable ending my own GA-to-DAL comments there.

I take huge offense at this accusation.  I would argue its much more relevant that there was only one first in that trade than the generic "three picks".  The intent was not to imply that there were not also second round picks, just that it does not really matter.

The idea that Dinwiddie was not an asset is an opinion.  There is no way to know what those teams thought of him, which by definition means its an opinion.  He was needed for salary matching and he made sense from a positional replacement standpoint.  The general consensus on here is that he was a negative asset in the KP trade and his value clearly fell off a cliff soon after the Kyrie trade.  He had a nice run late in the WCF season and he put up good numbers on a bad team (something to generally be weary of) the next year.  I think that was enough to keep him from being a negative asset, but I don't think the Nets would have had any interest paying a first for him in a world where they traded Kyrie to somebody else.  

You can have a differing opinion regarding Dinwiddie value at the time and I am willing to discuss it.  But don't tell me I am shading the truth because I am clarifying firsts in a trade and have a differing opinion than you regarding player asset value.

This whole argument is kind of a joke. I'm guessing you know that Kyrie + Naji + 1 first is not in the ballpark of Giannis value, which is the context of the conversation. Yet you are quibbling about 2nd round picks that have no bearing in a discussion like this.