(07-24-2024, 10:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Leaving Hardy to the side, where you and I disagree is identifying Dinwiddie as a playmaker. I don't think of him that way at all. I think Dinwiddie has been a useful player, particularly towards the end of his Nets days and while he was here, but I think he's much more of a "get his own" type than people here seem to believe. I don't think he's some cure all for lack of offensive ball-movement. The opposite, really.
Further, he's not really a 3-level scorer the way Luka, Kyrie (and yes, Hardy) are. So, as he slows and the paint is less attainable for him, he's likely to become far too "bad shots from the perimeter" oriented, which is probably part of why he fell off a cliff after leaving the Mavs and the stellar spread spacing (they had at the time). There's reason to hope the spacing here will be better than it was last season due to Thompson, Grimes and even Marshall, but it's far from a guarantee at this point.
It's all going to be very interesting.
I'm not really attempting to call Dinwiddie a playmaker as an isolated descriptor of his game though. I'm saying the playmaking facet of Dinwiddie's game is light years better than Hardy's. And it was, even from the second Dinwiddie came into the league. Dinwiddie's ability to make passing decisions with the ball in his hands is just far superior, and literally every play making related statistic backs that up.
I also don't really buy into this team moving towards a Warriors style ball movement team. We will throw some extra wrinkles with Klay on the team sure, but as long as Luka Doncic leads this team, it's primary diet will always be iso heavy half court offense, simple as that. I think people thinking because we added some ball movement types, there will be some drastic change to the teams style, but IMO the only way it really happens in any significant way is if Luka is no longer on the team.
Given that, I'm fine adding a guy like Dinwiddie who will primarily score, but also facilitate at a higher rate than anyone on the team not named Luka or Kyrie, even though he's fairly ball dominant. Especially given his low turnover rates. He is an added scoring punch we absolutely need IMO when you compare our roster to a team like Boston's. Also if you look at his shooting percentages at the rim, in the mid range and from 3 when he was on the Mavs, he absolutely was a 3 level scorer (Hardy isn't anywhere close to those numbers). Now over the course of just two years has his athleticism fallen off that much between the ages 29 and 31, maybe, I haven't watched him enough.
Also as I mentioned, he didn't really fall off a cliff after leaving the Mavs. If he had, I'd be more inclined to call it age related decline. His numbers with the Nets post Mavs are basically the same as with the Wizards pre Mavs. With the Lakers he was given a completely different role. So he didn't really fall off, he literally reverted to what he had already been when not on probably the only team he's played for in his career that fully catered to his stregnths.