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DoDo on the rise: Who's better than RoCo?
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(12-21-2019, 04:01 PM)vfromlmf Wrote:
(12-21-2019, 03:48 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Please explain how the stat is created and what it measures instead of coming up with more nonsense. You are not even interested in any real discussion. Just trying to push an narrative.


Look I'm trying to be respectful so you can just go read about the stat yourself if you want to know more. Basically, it's an advanced analytics approach that attempts to do the impossible i.e. measure individual defense. 

In order to properly and accurately evaluate individual defense, we need to know what a player is asked to do on defense, how well he does his job, and how much effect it has on his team’s defensive performance. 

There's lots of new data available, so this approach is probably better than most.

You can call it nonsense or try to shoot the messenger if you want. The numbers are the numbers. If you don't agree, fine. Others may find them interesting.

For me, the numbers only reinforce what DoDo's coach and teammates are saying.

The numbers reinforce DoDo getting 3rd most minutes on a team that's on pace for 50+ wins.

The numbers reinforce what I see with my own eyes when DoDo gives the opponents best scorer hell every night.

The narrative is not mine. What DoDo is doing with his actual real live minutes define the narrative. I'm only shining a little light on him.

In other words you don´t have a clue. Never mind I am ending this discussion. There is a formula and a detailed explanation. I read and understood what it says. You obviously didn´t.
I don´t have anything against the number itself although it would be nice to know the formula he uses to determine the defensive role and based on that the load ( I am not buying the ebook). It´s the lack of critical thinking that annoys me. People read something on the internet and just go along with it. For basketball they see a stat like RPM, BPM, newer ratings like the DRAYMOND, CARMELO or the approach that you mentioned and don´t even try to understand what it is measuring. Discussion culture is getting worse in general (I don´t even want to get into politics). We need less opinion and more research.
You started the entire thread with a topic that is trying to push an narrative with cherry picked data. That´s my problem (if you want to go back to the RPM thread you will see that I defended DFS bad DRPM. I have nothing against him). We can have a RoCo vs DFS but the way we are doing it right now is useless. I take some of the blame as well because the way you tried to spin the debate triggered me and my responses started to get less friendly. For that I apologize.
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RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by omahen - 01-31-2020, 02:58 PM
RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by ClutchDirk - 01-31-2020, 03:00 PM
RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by StepBackJay - 01-31-2020, 03:21 PM
RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by omahen - 01-31-2020, 03:21 PM
RE: Who's better? - by TXBamanut - 12-19-2019, 04:44 PM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-19-2019, 04:48 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-19-2019, 05:04 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-19-2019, 05:05 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-19-2019, 05:07 PM
RE: Who's better? - by SleepingHero - 12-19-2019, 05:11 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ClutchDirk - 12-19-2019, 05:14 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-19-2019, 05:20 PM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-19-2019, 05:24 PM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-19-2019, 05:26 PM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-19-2019, 05:40 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-19-2019, 05:41 PM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-19-2019, 05:48 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-19-2019, 05:59 PM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-19-2019, 06:03 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-19-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ClutchDirk - 12-19-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-19-2019, 07:04 PM
RE: Who's better? - by SleepingHero - 12-19-2019, 07:46 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-19-2019, 08:08 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Kammrath - 12-19-2019, 08:20 PM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-19-2019, 08:36 PM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-19-2019, 10:18 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-19-2019, 11:00 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Kammrath - 12-19-2019, 11:25 PM
RE: Who's better? - by radioaktiv - 12-20-2019, 12:27 AM
RE: Who's better? - by dirkfansince1998 - 12-20-2019, 01:25 AM
RE: Who's better? - by Mavs2019 - 12-20-2019, 01:27 AM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-20-2019, 08:43 AM
RE: Who's better? - by Hooper21 - 12-20-2019, 09:36 AM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-20-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-20-2019, 10:23 AM
RE: Who's better? - by dirkfansince1998 - 12-20-2019, 10:40 AM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-20-2019, 10:53 AM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-20-2019, 10:55 AM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-20-2019, 10:57 AM
RE: Who's better? - by omahen - 12-20-2019, 11:08 AM
RE: Who's better? - by dirkfansince1998 - 12-20-2019, 11:11 AM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-20-2019, 01:25 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-20-2019, 01:34 PM
RE: Who's better? - by HoosierDaddyKid - 12-20-2019, 01:44 PM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-20-2019, 02:11 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Scott41theMavs - 12-20-2019, 03:01 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Kammrath - 12-20-2019, 03:19 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Kammrath - 12-20-2019, 03:49 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Kammrath - 12-20-2019, 04:00 PM
RE: Who's better? - by Kammrath - 12-20-2019, 04:15 PM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-20-2019, 04:22 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-20-2019, 05:25 PM
RE: Who's better? - by SleepingHero - 12-20-2019, 07:58 PM
RE: Who's better? - by iolide - 12-20-2019, 11:16 PM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-21-2019, 12:29 AM
RE: Who's better? - by fifteenth - 12-21-2019, 12:47 AM
RE: Who's better? - by ClutchDirk - 12-21-2019, 01:02 AM
RE: Who's better? - by ThisIStheYear - 12-21-2019, 08:42 AM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-21-2019, 09:30 AM
RE: Who's better? - by vfromlmf - 12-21-2019, 10:25 AM
RE: Who's better? - by ItsGoTime - 12-21-2019, 10:44 AM
RE: Who's better? - by dirkfansince1998 - 12-21-2019, 10:50 AM
RE: DoDo on the rise: Who's better than RoCo? - by dirkfansince1998 - 12-21-2019, 04:42 PM
RE: Who's better? - by StepBackJay - 12-21-2019, 07:54 PM
Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by DanSchwartzgan - 01-31-2020, 01:52 PM
RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by ItsGoTime - 01-31-2020, 02:02 PM
RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by fifteenth - 01-31-2020, 02:40 PM
RE: Roco's Great. No, He Sucks - by ClutchDirk - 01-31-2020, 02:49 PM

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