(12-20-2019, 10:23 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: My understanding of gaslighting in a pop-culture sense is that someone consistently asserts something that both he and the listener know is contrary to the truth, and sets up a narrative that the other person must be losing their mind, because of course it's this way (the lie) and not that way, when all sensory evidence points to the truth.
I did nothing like this. I very much believe what I say.
(12-20-2019, 10:23 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: No, I don't believe that Fif was literally gaslighting me even in that sense. I was using it as a rhetorical device.
I didn't literally, or in any non-literal way, do this. That being the case, I don't understand how the accusation is a rhetorical device.
(12-20-2019, 10:23 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: So Fif was right on a certain level, but he was essentially asserting that no, the Mavs have several non-Luka/KP starter-worthy players. He gets all mad that I dismiss that opinion, because he believes that it is a valid basketball opinion worthy of respect within Mavs fandom. I respect Fif. I will never respect that opinion. I find it gravely intelligence-insulting. I refer to it rhetorically as "gaslighting" because it rings reminiscent of past MBT "we love our boys in blue" drivel which actually meant, "we aren't competent enough to upgrade." But Fif isn't the MBT. He's just a usually-intelligent fan trying to get a completely unfounded and unreasonable opinion to the table of reasonable Mavs-fan opinions. I get his support for our boys in blue and his enthusiasm for the team. I just don’t think he has to be dumb or expect the rest of us to be dumb to do that.
I have never been mad, until this post that I'm responding to, at anything you've posted. I simply make arguments regarding what I actually think.
I'm going to be blunt. This thing you're telling us about how you handle "intelligence insulting opinions" is just stupid. None of us have the foresight to see which of our opinions will prove themselves to be great ones in hindsight. It's probably best to let things play out a bit before plastering "intelligence insulting" over a bunch of fan opinions.
It's probably bad form for me to defend myself. I should just blow it off and let you be. I'd like to claim that I don't care what you think about my opinions, but obviously that's not true since you have actually made me mad for once.
But it's my opinion that this presentation you just made about "intelligence insulting opinions" and how to interact with "them" is not a component of good discussion.
Just for free, the reason Donnie says "we love our boys in blue" is because he will never say a bad word about a player under his employ. He will always "love them" right up until he trades them or fails to resign them. He does this for two reasons: He's not going to lower the value of any of his players, and he's actually a respectful dude.