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[meistermatze]

Deadlines make deals.

So you are still confident (how much?) that some players (who?) will be moved until then?

[mvossman]

So you are still confident (how much?) that some players (who?) will be moved until then?

I have no confidence because I don't know who is running the show and we have no history with whoever it is.  I greatly fear that very little is going to get done as they sit on their hands and wait for the GM hiring (which I think would be a big mistake).  But it is possible that there is some competence happening and they are driving hard bargains for trades.  In that case, whatever does get done likely won't happen until close to the deadline.  It also doesn't help if a bunch of teams are waiting on Giannis to do anything.

[KillerLeft]

- PJ looks horrible right now, because he is hobbled by injuries. He will come around and his high value should be well established. He is 27, why not flip him right now?

PJW is not eligible for trade this season, due to the extension he recently signed. I'm not sure exactly when he becomes eligible, but I believe it's over the summer at some point.

[Kidnova]

Deadlines make deals.

Especially when your prime trade candidate (AD) won't be back until after the all star break at the earliest.  No sense in a competitive team making a move for him until the last minute.

[loki]

PJW is not eligible for trade this season, due to the extension he recently signed. I'm not sure exactly when he becomes eligible, but I believe it's over the summer at some point.

He should be eligible as soon as the Mavs season ends.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

Gafford, Marshall, and Klay are the names to watch IMO.

Even Klay they might keep unless they get an asset, since the team is going to have Kyrie and AD to begin next year.

The AD market is dead.
DLo is a negative asset.
PJ can't be traded.

[Winter]

Luke Adam at HoopsRumors

"One possible target for the Cavs is Naji Marshall, according to Fedor, who says Cleveland is among the teams to express interest in the Mavericks forward. While a deal centered around Ball and Marshall may intrigue the Cavs, Dallas is reportedly seeking at least a first-round pick for the veteran wing, and it’s unclear if Cleveland wants to give up its lone movable first-rounder (either 2031 or 2032) at this time, given the club’s up-and-down performance this season."

[Nowitzki Way]

Luke Adam at HoopsRumors

"One possible target for the Cavs is Naji Marshall, according to Fedor, who says Cleveland is among the teams to express interest in the Mavericks forward. While a deal centered around Ball and Marshall may intrigue the Cavs, Dallas is reportedly seeking at least a first-round pick for the veteran wing, and it’s unclear if Cleveland wants to give up its lone movable first-rounder (either 2031 or 2032) at this time, given the club’s up-and-down performance this season."

I'm all for getting value out of Naji.  I'm not sure getting a 1st rounder 4 or 5 years down the road helps us with building a team around Flagg. Hell, this thing could hit rock bottom and Cooper could jump ship by then. 

I'm secretly hoping we can convince one of these bubble playoff teams to trade their 26 1st for Naji. Then that team misses the playoffs and gives us another lottery pick.

[Chicagojk]

I'm all for getting value out of Naji.  I'm not sure getting a 1st rounder 4 or 5 years down the road helps us with building a team around Flagg. Hell, this thing could hit rock bottom and Cooper could jump ship by then. 

I'm secretly hoping we can convince one of these bubble playoff teams to trade their 26 1st for Naji. Then that team misses the playoffs and gives us another lottery pick.

Yeah, that doesn't interest me at all.    

Question, if he solid play continues, does Martin turn into a tradable piece?  I mean he fits what some teams are looking for in the playoffs (minus the shooting).   The salary and contract are not ideal, but if a team thought they could get an 8th man who could defend in the playoffs.......

[loki]

I'm all for getting value out of Naji.  I'm not sure getting a 1st rounder 4 or 5 years down the road helps us with building a team around Flagg. Hell, this thing could hit rock bottom and Cooper could jump ship by then. 

I'm secretly hoping we can convince one of these bubble playoff teams to trade their 26 1st for Naji. Then that team misses the playoffs and gives us another lottery pick.

I'd be thrilled to get a 1st from Cleveland that far out (especially if it's lightly protected or unprotected). A lot of things could go wrong for the Cavs between now and then to make that pick extremely valuable. It could also be used as a trade asset to bring in a better fitting piece than Naji. 

Flagg is almost certainly not taking the qualifying offer in year 5 so he can immediately leave. He'll sign a max extension and give the Mavs plenty of time to build the roster up around him.

[BigDirk41]

I'd be thrilled to get a 1st from Cleveland that far out (especially if it's lightly protected or unprotected). A lot of things could go wrong for the Cavs between now and then to make that pick extremely valuable. It could also be used as a trade asset to bring in a better fitting piece than Naji. 

Flagg is almost certainly not taking the qualifying offer in year 5 so he can immediately leave. He'll sign a max extension and give the Mavs plenty of time to build the roster up around him.

A draft pick that far out doesn't interest me and I realize it can be used in a future trade, but we need young players now to grow with Flagg. The days of having plenty of time to build around a player are over. This is a players league and the faster everyone excepts that, the better. Flagg will not wait 5-7 years to contend and if that cost him money or he has to demand a trade, that's what will happen.

[mvossman]

A draft pick that far out doesn't interest me and I realize it can be used in a future trade, but we need young players now to grow with Flagg. The days of having plenty of time to build around a player are over. This is a players league and the faster everyone excepts that, the better. Flagg will not wait 5-7 years to contend and if that cost him money or he has to demand a trade, that's what will happen.

What is this based on?  What history do we have of an elite player forcing his way out before late into his second contract?

If this team does not hit on the upcoming draft, Flagg probably will be waiting 5-7 years.  A late first round pick for Naji is not going to change that.

[FireNicoHarrison]

Another FRP can help us to go up in this draft?

[mvossman]

Another FRP can help us to go up in this draft?

I have suggested this as well.  Something like the CLE 26 pick from ATL (or the Clippers 26 pick from OKC) could make the difference of a couple of spots if they need it to get the guy they really want.  But that may not be on the table.  Anything past that is probably not moving the needle in moving up spots in the lottery.

[Chicagojk]

I am just not moving him for a 31 draft pick.   Marshall is a good player on a good contract and appears to be a good teammate.  He can help this team win next year.  If I move him and a team is offering a 31 pick, then I want another asset back as well.

[Dirknows]

I am just not moving him for a 31 draft pick.   Marshall is a good player on a good contract and appears to be a good teammate.  He can help this team win next year.  If I move him and a team is offering a 31 pick, then I want another asset back as well.

I mean, OKC is going to benefit mightily from taking picks so far out. I don’t think it would be the worst thing to get.

[mvossman]

Question, if he solid play continues, does Martin turn into a tradable piece?  I mean he fits what some teams are looking for in the playoffs (minus the shooting).   The salary and contract are not ideal, but if a team thought they could get an 8th man who could defend in the playoffs.......

One can dream.

[cow]

I'd take Cleveland's future first in heartbeat as it's an easily packageable asset to use in other trades.

[KillerLeft]

I am just not moving him for a 31 draft pick.   Marshall is a good player on a good contract and appears to be a good teammate.  He can help this team win next year.  If I move him and a team is offering a 31 pick, then I want another asset back as well.

I mean, OKC is going to benefit mightily from taking picks so far out. I don’t think it would be the worst thing to get.

See...it goes back to what I brought up the other day. The elephant in the room we're all just talking right past is: some people think it's pointless to try to be good next year, despite the Mavs having no incentive to be bad. Others assume they can and will find a way to be "good" next year, in some sort of relative way. Some feel as hopeless as the first group, but still expect the Mavs to make decisions based on making an attempt to be good, given said lack of incentive to be bad. 

What we need to know is the direction the Mavs will chose or have already chosen, and we're just throwing spaghetti at the wall until we have that context. Every single one of us is assuming something, at least a small thing, and that's coloring our individual outlooks. 

If you think this is about to be a "start over" situation, a '31 first is a great asset to get. If you subconsciously believe there's a world in which next season doesn't suck, exchanging a current good rotation player for that seems unthinkable. It's where the Mavs decision makers are (and we don't even know who they are yet, really) on this spectrum that matters.

[KillerLeft]

I'd take Cleveland's future first in heartbeat as it's an easily packageable asset to use in other trades.

I agree with this.

The farther out the pick is, the more valuable it seems, in a way. I'd think more Mavs fans would get this concept, given that we're currently living through the worst case scenario that becomes possible when you trade your own far out picks. The teams holding those Mavs '27 and '29 picks are salivating over the possibilities right about now, and there's still a very real chance (though less than what I originally hoped) that Lakers pick the Mavs own might end up being the single best asset in the war chest at this point. Someone said it in this thread - teams' fortunes change so quickly now.