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[mvossman]

You and RTG both posted this. Inaccurately. Isn’t there some stat floating around that the Mavs are .500 with AD playing? You’re saying the group (minus Kyrie) has played 39 games together? You don’t think adding Kyrie to AD (who’s .500 when active) makes a difference? Lively is one of your favorite players. He’s a non factor? How can the group minus Kyrie be 14-25 if Lively has only played 7 games, Davis only 20, PJW 30?

In any event. I’m talking about next year. This year is over and done with as far as I’m concerned. HEALTH will always be a reason so no need to go there. If the Mavs do nothing they will have Kyrie-Max-Flagg-PJW-AD to roll out Game 1 next year. How or why does that team not fit? What do they need to do to move into a contender in your mind? The ‘26 FRP (Top-8?) is on the roster here. As well as Lively, Gafford, Naji, Klay, Nemby.

I think all 5 are starter worthy players. You can’t have an All-Star team after all. The weakest link is probably Max? I’d probably prefer moving Kyrie to more of an off guard role. That’s one of the reasons I’ve liked the Gaff+Klay or Gaff alone for Coby White. A big PG thats a very good 3PT shooter on high volume. Then Max can fill in off the bench or when there’s injuries. Maybe you draft a player like Coby also (Mikel Brown)?

I don’t think there’s an “elite creator” in the way that you mean it, available via trade. The two that would have to be that for the Mavs are Kyrie and/or Flagg. Maybe your top draft pick this year eventually, but not expecting it next season.

Adding Kyrie to AD does make a difference.  It does not turn a 500 team (and thats with AD playing every single game) into a contender.  It makes them a 4-6 seed with a decent chance of getting into the second round.

Of course there is not an elite creator available via trade.  Only a complete idiot would trade that away (see Nico).  Hopefully Flagg becomes that elite creator.  If his progression continues as we all hope it will, I think he will be ready to lead a contending team in his early to mid 20s.  I think that is the timeline this organization should be focusing on, and I think it will be past the point where AD or Kyrie are contributing significantly.  

When I though AD had some legit trade value I felt like it made sense to make this team worse for the next two years in order to be better in the Flagg prime timeline.  Now that it looks like salary dump is best return, I don't think makes enough of an impact in 4 years to make this team worse the next 2.  There is also a small chance they can rebuild some of AD trade value such that it would be worth more than salary dump now.

[KillerLeft]

Adding Kyrie to AD does make a difference.  It does not turn a 500 team (and thats with AD playing every single game) into a contender.  It makes them a 4-6 seed with a decent chance of getting into the second round.

Of course there is not an elite creator available via trade.  Only a complete idiot would trade that away (see Nico).  Hopefully Flagg becomes that elite creator.  If his progression continues as we all hope it will, I think he will be ready to lead a contending team in his early to mid 20s.  I think that is the timeline this organization should be focusing on, and I think it will be past the point where AD or Kyrie are contributing significantly.  

Would this year's Mavs pick ending up high enough to plausibly add a blue chip creator there AND Kyire to AD and Flagg move the needle for you at all? I haven't gotten into the draft much yet - does such a creator prospect exist? All of the players people are talking about seem to be 4's, which kind of seems like an unfortunate thing to have to hope the Mavs can draft, presently. Seems like what they need is next year's Dylan Harper.

[meistermatze]

not you too

Those are just names. That’s a 7-9 seed in the west. That same team minus Kyrie is 14-25.

Because they are never gonna be fucking healthy? How is that for a reason?

Sorry, but this delusion is getting on my nerves. It is what tanked our chances to get rid of this AD-nightmare. Get fucking real. The dude is broken, period. Move on, man.

[mvossman]

Would this year's Mavs pick ending up high enough to plausibly add a blue chip creator there AND Kyire to AD and Flagg move the needle for you at all? I haven't gotten into the draft much yet - does such a creator prospect exist? All of the players people are talking about seem to be 4's, which kind of seems like an unfortunate thing to have to hope the Mavs can draft, presently. Seems like what they need is next year's Dylan Harper.

It moves the needle, but the real impact of getting that right pick right is the Flagg timeline.  I will admit that one big silver lining with the AD injury is they can truly tank now.  They were in danger of winning too many games this next month while trying to show him off.

[Mavs2021]

Here let me look into the Mavs 2026/2027 future:

Teams with players 33 years or older on their roster at the start of the season:

Knicks: Clarkson, PJ Tucker
Raptors: Temple
Sixers: George, Drummond, Lowry, Gordon
Bulls: Vucevic
Bucks: Thanasis
Pacers: TJ McConnell
Hornets: M. Plumlee
Wizards: Middleton
Hawks: McCollum
Nuggets: Valanciunas, THJ
Wolves: Gobert, Ingles, Conley
Blazers: Lillard, Holiday
Lakers: LeBron
Warriors: Steph, Butler, Draymon, Horford, Peyton II, Seth Curry
Clippers: Harden, Lopez, Kawhi, Bogdanovic
Kings: DeRozan, McDermott, Westbrook
Spurs: Barnes, Olynyk, Biyombo
Rockets: Green, Durant

Now let´s look at the teams that have more than one starter at this age

Knicks: Clarkson, PJ Tucker
Raptors: Temple
Sixers: George, Drummond, Lowry, Gordon
Bulls: Vucevic
Bucks: Thanasis
Pacers: TJ McConnell
Hornets: M. Plumlee
Wizards: Middleton
Hawks: McCollum
Nuggets: Valanciunas, THJ
Wolves: Gobert, Ingles, Conley
Blazers: Lillard, Holiday
Lakers: LeBron
Warriors: Steph, Butler, Draymond, Horford, Peyton II, Seth Curry
Clippers: Harden, Lopez, Kawhi, Bogdanovic
Kings: DeRozan, McDermott, Westbrook
Spurs: Barnes, Olynyk, Biyombo
Rockets: Green, Durant

21-18
15-23
8-30

It´s not rocket science. There is a ceiling for old teams now.