Ryan Nembhard

[JAYJAYBEE5]

Is Ryan Nembhard going to be the next Jose Barea for Jason Kidd?

This is what Kidd needed all along for HIS OFFENSE.

Now if the Mavericks somehow add that point guard from Arizona next year Jaden Jason Kidd might be able to make this work and i might change my mind about this team going forward with the pieces.

[Winter]

Is Ryan Nembhard going to be the next Jose Barea for Jason Kidd?

This is what Kidd needed all along for HIS OFFENSE.

Now if the Mavericks somehow add that point guard from Arizona next year Jaden Jason Kidd might be able to make this work and i might change my mind about this team going forward with the pieces.

If you go back and look at Nembhard's Gonzaga highlights, he looked last night just like he did in college - where he led the NCAA in assists at 10 per game.

There's no good reason to think he can't continue to run an NBA offense better than most other PGs. What we really need to see is if he can hold up on the defensive end to get 30-35 mpg.

[JAYJAYBEE5]

If you go back and look at Nembhard's Gonzaga highlights, he looked last night just like he did in college - where he led the NCAA in assists at 10 per game.

There's no good reason to think he can't continue to run an NBA offense better than most other PGs. What we really need to see is if he can hold up on the defensive end to get 30-35 mpg.

Yes i agree with you buddy and thanks for the reply. The only reason i compared him to Jose Barea is because they were both un-drafted. He seems alot faster and leaner than Barea though. Def. looks like a great point guard coming off the bench on a championship team. I still think the Mavericks need a starting point guard with size like Jason Kidd and i hope they draft one.  the person i have in mind is the point guard out of Louisville. the freshmen. Mikel Brown Jr. pair him with Nembhard.

[Chicagojk]

I have been surprised how aggressive he has been taking open shots.   I mentioned awhile ago that teams are going to play the pass so he will need to prove he can hit an open shot.  I think the 3 will be come and go for him.  I love how he gets into the paint though.  He knows he cannot make a living at the rim, so how he doesn't waste any movement getting into the lane for a jumper.   And when he gets there he has has a jumper or if that is taken away he has the pass.  There is not wasted movement what he wants to do.    The threat of that mid jumper will open up some layups too.  He got one over Jokic in the second half.   

What I have enjoyed the most besides players looking to get him the ball off rebounds, is how he already seems to be the most keyed in player on offense.  He is directing everyone out there and is setting everything up.

[Winter]

Nembie's Youtube breakdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4-fyPpKATE

[Chicagojk]

Check out his last two high school team rosters.  No wonder he knows how to play with good players

https://mvasports.com/sports/mens-basket...er/2019-20

https://mvasports.com/sports/mens-basket...er/2020-21

[Winter]

Check out his last two high school team rosters.  No wonder he knows how to play with good players

https://mvasports.com/sports/mens-basket...er/2019-20

https://mvasports.com/sports/mens-basket...er/2020-21

Quite the class picture.

[Nowitzki Way]

He has an elite skill. He can have a role for a team as a ball handler off the bench. T.J. McConnell, Jose Alvarado.

I think Barea is a good example of the type of role he can have. Different players and skill sets, but same type of role. Same size too.

[Chicagojk]

He has an elite skill. He can have a role for a team as a ball handler off the bench.  T.J. McConnell, Jose Alvarado.

I think Barea is a good example of the type of role he can have. Different players and skill sets, but same type of role.  Same size too.

Time will tell what he is or will become.  I think it is pretty remarkable how fast he has gained the trust with the rest of the team.  Most of the guys know what good basketball is too, so that is not nothing.

Also, he very quickly made this a functioning offense....sure AD returning may have been the biggest reason.   Still though this offense was worse than watching paint dry and now it looks competent when he is on the floor.

[Nowitzki Way]

Time will tell what he is or will become.  I think it is pretty remarkable how fast he has gained the trust with the rest of the team.  Most of the guys know what good basketball is too, so that is not nothing.

Also, he very quickly made this a functioning offense....sure AD returning may have been the biggest reason.   Still though this offense was worse than watching paint dry and now it looks competent when he is on the floor.

That was the biggest takeaway. Players genuinely like playing with him. Anyone could see that he knows how to get his teammates the ball in the right spots and right times.

[FireNicoHarrison]

He has an elite skill. He can have a role for a team as a ball handler off the bench.  T.J. McConnell, Jose Alvarado.

I think Barea is a good example of the type of role he can have. Different players and skill sets, but same type of role.  Same size too.

Agree.

Players love play with him because he passes the rock... Nobody like to play with D-Lo for sure.

[BigDirk41]

He's surpassed my expectations by a lot. I'm not going to limit his ceiling. I'm just happy we have a 2nd rookie with a lot of upside. I hope he keeps playing at this recent level. That would be a home run for this team. He's giving me hopes of a true rotation piece and hopefully even more. I'm glad we have him.

[KillerLeft]

Barea is a good comparison, only...and I'm not trying to overhype the guy, but he's looked like 2011 Barea these past two games. That was WELL into Barea's career. He didn't come right out of the gate playing this effectively, but once he reached this level, he was actually pretty underrated here. I was just as upset with the Mavs letting him walk as I was with them letting Chandler go, tbh.

If Nembhard can reach this level consistently while on his rookie contract...man, all sorts of good things can happen as a result of that.

[Winter]

I think the size issue may be over-rated. I'm sure the opponent will target him when it's positioned to do that, but does that really make a difference in a player that produces a double-double in points and assists? Did they target Chris Paul when he first came into the league (I don't really know the answer to that). Did it matter? If they targeted Brunson because he was short, would you take him out? BTW, I realize I'm comparing him to two all-star PGs, but his stats as a starter these last few game make him look better than most PGs around the league. You don't take him out of the game because of size. I mean AD is a pretty slow defender on the perimeter. When 6'3 guard sees a one-on-one with AD on the perimeter, they probably think they have advantage. The issue of size goes several ways.

I think the real issue is not height, it's competitiveness. If Nembhard was really struggling defensively, I could see a problem. But it doesn't look like that now, nor has that ever been a topic of discussion in college that I'm aware of. He looks stronger than either Brunson or Barea at this point, and he's quick.

Yes, we need another starting-caliber PG, but I'm not 100% certain we should be wringing our hands for another starting PG other than Nembhard.

[Smitty]

I think the size issue may be over-rated. I'm sure the opponent will target him when it's positioned to do that, but does that really make a difference in a player that produces a double-double in points and assists? Did they target Chris Paul when he first came into the league (I don't really know the answer to that). Did it matter? If they targeted Brunson because he was short, would you take him out? BTW, I realize I'm comparing him to two all-star PGs, but his stats as a starter these last few game make him look better than most PGs around the league. You don't take him out of the game because of size. I mean AD is a pretty slow defender on the perimeter. When 6'3 guard sees a one-on-one with AD on the perimeter, they probably think they have advantage. The issue of size goes several ways.

I think the real issue is not height, it's competitiveness. If Nembhard was really struggling defensively, I could see a problem. But it doesn't look like that now, nor has that ever been a topic of discussion in college that I'm aware of. He looks stronger than either Brunson or Barea at this point, and he's quick.

Yes, we need another starting-caliber PG, but I'm not 100% certain we should be wringing our hands for another starting PG other than Nembhard.

I'm loving this stretch from Nembhard. But there will be games, halves, quarters, matchups, where the other team gets the better of him. I think Miami did that for the most part late in the 4th. Davion Mitchell was guarding Flagg most of the night but switched onto Nembhard late and pretty much clamped him. Which is just fine. It's going to happen. There are really good defenders in this league. We'll get to see how he faces against several of them Friday. For now, lets just enjoy the Ups and we'll talk through the downs when they happen.

[KillerLeft]

I think the size issue may be over-rated. I'm sure the opponent will target him when it's positioned to do that, but does that really make a difference in a player that produces a double-double in points and assists? Did they target Chris Paul when he first came into the league (I don't really know the answer to that). Did it matter? If they targeted Brunson because he was short, would you take him out? BTW, I realize I'm comparing him to two all-star PGs, but his stats as a starter these last few game make him look better than most PGs around the league. You don't take him out of the game because of size. I mean AD is a pretty slow defender on the perimeter. When 6'3 guard sees a one-on-one with AD on the perimeter, they probably think they have advantage. The issue of size goes several ways.

I think the real issue is not height, it's competitiveness. If Nembhard was really struggling defensively, I could see a problem. But it doesn't look like that now, nor has that ever been a topic of discussion in college that I'm aware of. He looks stronger than either Brunson or Barea at this point, and he's quick.

Yes, we need another starting-caliber PG, but I'm not 100% certain we should be wringing our hands for another starting PG other than Nembhard.

Well, except the trend of singling out problem defenders by forcing switches has only really come into vogue these past 5 years or so. These days, it’s basically THE way teams win/lose playoff series. That, and by playing or not playing anyone who can’t shoot.

[omahen]

I am no scout, I don't really follow any prospects before the draft so I am not trying to claim anything. However, I will never understand how this obviously extremely high basketball IQ guys that simply know how to play get so often overlooked and undervalued. Seems to me that teams really value athleticism and then hope that guys can develop other things. If they don't (which is often), these kind of players are simply useless. On the other hand, it seems to me that this high IQ guys most often know how to find their place and carve a role for themselves in the league. Find a way to work around their athletic limitations. And if nothing else, several of them became supperstars. There were several opinions that Luka will be limited by his (lack off) athleticism. Brunson was very much overlooked although he was a natural born winner and leader of two time NCAA winner. And obviously Jokic, who is arguably best player in the league and who is definitely not a good athlet in terms of physicality. Kudos to Mavs to finding Nembhard.

Looking at past drafts I can find scores of great athletes who never really learned how to play basketball at this level and turned into busts. Does anyone even remember any example of a FRP, who was an above average basketball IQ player but turned out a complete bust?

[numnuts23]

I am no scout, I don't really follow any prospects before the draft so I am not trying to claim anything. However, I will never understand how this obviously extremely high basketball IQ guys that simply know how to play get so often overlooked and undervalued. Seems to me that teams really value athleticism and then hope that guys can develop other things. If they don't (which is often), these kind of players are simply useless. On the other hand, it seems to me that this high IQ guys most often know how to find their place and carve a role for themselves in the league. Find a way to work around their athletic limitations. And if nothing else, several of them became supperstars. There were several opinions that Luka will be limited by his (lack off) athleticism. Brunson was very much overlooked although he was a natural born winner and leader of two time NCAA winner. And obviously Jokic, who is arguably best player in the league and who is definitely not a good athlet in terms of physicality. Kudos to Mavs to finding Nembhard.

Looking at past drafts I can find scores of great athletes who never really learned how to play basketball at this level and turned into busts. Does anyone even remember any example of a FRP, who was an above average basketball IQ player but turned out a complete bust?

It happens in every sport.  So many teams just want the upside - the lotto ticket approach.  When it hits, it can be franchise changing.  However, that approach typically does not equal good results.  

Give me a team of smart players who know how to win.  That's why I'm not super high on the Ace Bailey's of the world.  You had him and Harper on the same college team and you coulnd't even finish with an above .500 record.

[Winter]

Well, except the trend of singling out problem defenders by forcing switches has only really come into vogue these past 5 years or so. These days, it’s basically THE way teams win/lose playoff series. That, and by playing or not playing anyone who can’t shoot.

Is Nembhard a "problem defender"?

[mvossman]

Is Nembhard a "problem defender"?

At under 6 feet, its going to be really hard for him not to be.  He does not have the bulk of somebody like VanVleet to make up for the lack of height.