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It doesn't bother me Nico is not speaking. He should of taken care of that during the press conference prior to the Detroit game. Unfortunaely, he dropped a major turd on that press conference. That press conference should have been much, much better. I lost a lot of faith in how he handled that.
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(02-07-2025, 12:53 AM)F Gump Wrote: "I'm sure the idea had been brewing for a while but trading Luka wouldn't be received as poorly if the return hadn't been pitiful." -- Well said.
" I really hope this goes poorly and they trade AD before the next year's TDL so we can recoup some assets." -- I think this will turn out to be a bad take, on 2 levels (but we will see). 1 I think AD is going to be so good that no one would want to trade him. 2 And I don't think you win by turning star players into a pile of picks (which rarely turn out to be as valuable as you hoped). The point of picks is to try to luck into a really good player eventually, so if you already have one, you are way ahead of the game and keep him. Just how I see it.
Hopes aren't takes or predictions. Further, picks can be used for more than just selecting players in the draft.
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I don’t think Dallas fans are particularly loyal to players over team. Luka is just the exception. He’s our MJ. He has an entertaining style that transcends the NBA and we drafted him. I was prepared to ride or die with him as a fan, no matter how it turned out. He’s the only area athlete like that I can recall except maybe someone like Staubach. I’ll still root for him, like I did Nash when he left but also the Mavs. I have to admit AD and Max just seem like super good dudes the more I get to know them. I hope they’re successful here. But it won’t be the same.
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The Adelsons are far right wing nut jobs. Cuban is slightly left of center. Don't undervalue how this difference between cut throat business and caring about people dictated this move. Cuban could have totally offloaded Dirk when he was near the end, but still producing at a high level. Dirk to OKC for Harden could have happened, but Cuban wouldn't even entertain it.
I guarantee Cuban the Mavs fan is pissed at himself for selling to these vultures.
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(02-07-2025, 03:27 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I don’t think Dallas fans are particularly loyal to players over team. Luka is just the exception. He’s our MJ. He has an entertaining style that transcends the NBA and we drafted him. I was prepared to ride or die with him as a fan, no matter how it turned out. He’s the only area athlete like that I can recall except maybe someone like Staubach. I’ll still root for him, like I did Nash when he left but also the Mavs. I have to admit AD and Max just seem like super good dudes the more I get to know them. I hope they’re successful here. But it won’t be the same.
I feel really bad for AD and Max as they'll catch a lot of ire for something out of their control.
I do think there is a tipping point for fans, even the more casual of them, which I believe we are seeing with the Cowboys. When Jerry Jones goes from the butt of a never ending joke to someone despised. Are the Mavs there yet? I'm not sure. Most fans probably weren't plugged into Mark and Donnie's many, many, many blunders after the championship, but they also didn't trade Dirk eight months after the '06 finals. The media landscape has also changed a lot since then and the Luka trade is wildly being heralded as the worst trade in NBA history and maybe one of the worst in all of sports. It will be interesting to see what this does to attendance and merchandise sales if anything at all.
side note: I've been meaning to ask you to change your name to ThisIsntTheYear
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I really like Max Christie. Even more after hearing him speak today.
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(02-07-2025, 03:14 PM)cow Wrote: Hopes aren't takes or predictions. Further, picks can be used for more than just selecting players in the draft.
Regardless, my point remains that its much better to have AD than to trade him this summer for a package whose main feature is the number of picks. He's the guy you want. At some point down the road, that may change, but it's way premature imo.
And on the topic of picks, Mavs have to get wayyyyyyyy better at drafting/developing before assembling picks becomes an advantageous strategy. Despite all the hoopla, Nico has hit on Lively, and hit a zero on the others. Hardy - meh. OMax - meh. Neither has really contributed at all.
Of course, without Lindsey, his trades and negotiations have also been pretty bad, so not sure what route that leaves for good roster-building, if any.
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Spoke to Anthony Davis’ agent Rich Paul for a few minutes today and he gave me some real interesting insight into why he’s not surprised that AD is in Dallas and his empathetic message to Mavs fans about the situation
I’ll be sharing soon #MFFL
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(02-07-2025, 03:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I really like Max Christie. Even more after hearing him speak today.
Dangit, Killer. That's exactly the kind of thing that could make me want to go listen to Max Christie. If I listen to Max Christie and like him, that's exactly the kind of thing that might make me curious about his play.... and that could lead to me checking out a game.
Not very astute ^^^^
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(02-07-2025, 03:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: Regardless, my point remains that its much better to have AD than to trade him this summer for a package whose main feature is the number of picks. He's the guy you want. At some point down the road, that may change, but it's way premature imo.
You have no point as you failed to understand the simple concept of one's hope versus what they think will happen. That isn't terribly surprising coming from you nor is you doubling down on your misunderstanding. Regardless, your differing point of view is noted.
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(02-07-2025, 03:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I really like Max Christie. Even more after hearing him speak today.
I have really liked his first two games. His first game he had some trouble on defense...or he was guarding a guy really good and hot. Plus the team wasn't connected. Last night, he had some really good moments on tatum and Brown. They are going to make some, but if you can just make them take tough shots that is a all you can do with stars.
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(02-07-2025, 02:47 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: It doesn't bother me Nico is not speaking. He should of taken care of that during the press conference prior to the Detroit game. Unfortunaely, he dropped a major turd on that press conference. That press conference should have been much, much better. I lost a lot of faith in how he handled that.
I would have been surprised if he did show up. They are likely trying to switch it up since the fans want to burn Nico at the stake right now. Not everyone is good at pressers.
Also, they were likely concerned it would have taken away from focusing on these players.
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Not that MBT has a crystal ball, but I was thinking about the recent news that Silver and the NBA are looking for ways to de-value the 3pt shot in an effort to improve viewership and interest in game play. Some of the ideas I have heard would encourage more plays in the mid-range and at the rim.
Just wondering if the new look Mavs, with their big front line, might be positioned to take advantage of a rules change. Not that any of the events of the last week were targeted for that, just wondering if there might be some serendipity at work.
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(02-07-2025, 04:18 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Not that MBT has a crystal ball, but I was thinking about the recent news that Silver and the NBA are looking for ways to de-value the 3pt shot in an effort to improve viewership and interest in game play. Some of the ideas I have heard would encourage more plays in the mid-range and at the rim.
Just wondering if the new look Mavs, with their big front line, might be positioned to take advantage of a rules change. Not that any of the events of the last week were targeted for that, just wondering if there might be some serendipity at work.
What ideas have you heard? I can't think of any way, other than taking away the 3-pointer altogether. It's not like it can be extended, other than at the top of the key, which will make corner 3's go up 1000%.
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(02-07-2025, 04:18 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Not that MBT has a crystal ball, but I was thinking about the recent news that Silver and the NBA are looking for ways to de-value the 3pt shot in an effort to improve viewership and interest in game play. Some of the ideas I have heard would encourage more plays in the mid-range and at the rim.
Just wondering if the new look Mavs, with their big front line, might be positioned to take advantage of a rules change. Not that any of the events of the last week were targeted for that, just wondering if there might be some serendipity at work.
It's something I've seriously been wondering about. You look at the teams that are winning right now. I believe the 3 point line combined with the player empowerment movement is the reason that fans are ditching the NBA.
You have to consider that the fans had pretty much already ditched the whole All Star game thing. So, why would you essentially change the rules to make all of the games like the all star game? Exchanging buckets at the end of the game just means the team that wins is whoever makes the final shot. There are several games I've seen where no one got stopped or truly beaten. The timer just ran out. That's not basketball. Where is the scheming and skill at? It's not fun watching a guy jack up shots from the logo and win.
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(02-07-2025, 04:24 PM)Smitty Wrote: What ideas have you heard? I can't think of any way, other than taking away the 3-pointer altogether. It's not like it can be extended, other than at the top of the key, which will make corner 3's go up 1000%.
One I had heard is removing the corner 3 so that the line goes out of bounds at the sideline.
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(02-07-2025, 03:27 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I don’t think Dallas fans are particularly loyal to players over team. Luka is just the exception. He’s our MJ. He has an entertaining style that transcends the NBA and we drafted him. I was prepared to ride or die with him as a fan, no matter how it turned out. He’s the only area athlete like that I can recall except maybe someone like Staubach. I’ll still root for him, like I did Nash when he left but also the Mavs. I have to admit AD and Max just seem like super good dudes the more I get to know them. I hope they’re successful here. But it won’t be the same.
Exactly. Can you imagine Chicago trading Jordan in his prime especially before winning a ring? Those fans would have burned the city to the ground.
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(02-07-2025, 04:24 PM)Smitty Wrote: What ideas have you heard? I can't think of any way, other than taking away the 3-pointer altogether. It's not like it can be extended, other than at the top of the key, which will make corner 3's go up 1000%.
First thing that comes to mind is bringing back hand checking. That will pretty quickly slow down ALL perimeter play in the league.
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Not nearly as fun as Luka Magic highlights but here is almost 20 minutes of AD blocks from last year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBIN_rFeZSQ&t=986s
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One thing I will say is that the few remaining Mavs fans should be nice to AD and MC. It's not their fault that they don't add up to half a Luka.
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