Trade & FA 2024-25:

[WildArkieBoy]

FWIW, I am starting to see smoke out there that Paul George to GS is a done deal. 

This is all very, very interesting. I hope Dallas isn't overthinking things a bit. They have the world by the balls right now. There are ways in which Klay makes sense, but it has to be on the right terms, so I hope it's not his shiny name that's driving this bus.

No, it's just dollars easily earned via casinos.  Sure, Klay's "lost a step, etc.," but, if he can still hit those threes close to his career %, he'll earn those dollars, but, yes, there may be more viable, cheaper options. 

[KillerLeft]

There is always a chance the vet min guy we sign is actually a mobile 4. 

Robert Covington is available. Nic Batum is available. 

But I agree, I'd be pretty ecstatic opening up a real consistent role for OMax.

Hell, even if they DO sign Covington or Batum (because good point) that's STILL likely to be the best shot at breaking in O-Max is ever going to get on a serious contender. Good for him/us, imo.

[SleepingHero]

Jason Terry is the only one truly sane person in this thread. Klay for DJJ (as the practical result of this acquisition) is objectively a step backwards. Too many people thinking Klay is 2015 Klay, when he is not. I suppose that's better than the doofuses out there (not here on the board, thank goodness) who still view Wiggins as a decent Mavs trade target. Klay is neither offensively nor defensively what he was in 2015, period. If it's a good idea to flush exorbitant money on Klay freaking Thompson in 2024 - way the hell past the man's prime - why don't we trade for CP3? How about getting Blake Griffin out of retirement? Why not just go all the way and go get MJ?

Mark my words - if the Mavs are stupid enough to throw money out the window (anything more than $5 mil a year is ridiculous, much less $20 per year) for a multiyear deal for Klay Thompson, by the time this coming season is over, that contract will be as hated by the entirety of the Mavs fanbase as the worst contract in franchise history, worse than THJ, Wes, Chandler Parsons, and all of Powell's deals put together. He will be unplayable in terms of actually trying to win games by the end of this coming season. Go ahead and pin this post, especially if the Mavs nuke the Luka era by making such a suicidal move. Goodness gracious, I bet that if there were some way to scientifically quantify subjective sports opinions and feelings, I'll bet I abhor this idea worse than Kamm hated trading for Kyrie.

1) no one is arguing Klay in place of DJJ. 

2) a 20mil deal for your 3rd best guy isn't bad. 

3) Should Klay sign, I give it 10 games before you abandon this silly notion and you'll come back loving Klay.

Join the Kult man, it's better over here. 

[KillerLeft]

Jason Terry is the only one truly sane person in this thread. Klay for DJJ (as the practical result of this acquisition) is objectively a step backwards. Too many people thinking Klay is 2015 Klay, when he is not. I suppose that's better than the doofuses out there (not here on the board, thank goodness) who still view Wiggins as a decent Mavs trade target. Klay is neither offensively nor defensively what he was in 2015, period. If it's a good idea to flush exorbitant money on Klay freaking Thompson in 2024 - way the hell past the man's prime - why don't we trade for CP3? How about getting Blake Griffin out of retirement? Why not just go all the way and go get MJ?

Mark my words - if the Mavs are stupid enough to throw money out the window (anything more than $5 mil a year is ridiculous, much less $20 per year) for a multiyear deal for Klay Thompson, by the time this coming season is over, that contract will be as hated by the entirety of the Mavs fanbase as the worst contract in franchise history, worse than THJ, Wes, Chandler Parsons, and all of Powell's deals put together. He will be unplayable in terms of actually trying to win games by the end of this coming season. Go ahead and pin this post, especially if the Mavs nuke the Luka era by making such a suicidal move. Goodness gracious, I bet that if there were some way to scientifically quantify subjective sports opinions and feelings, I'll bet I abhor this idea worse than Kamm hated trading for Kyrie.

I'm going to be pretty upset if we learn this is "instead of" DJJ, and VERY upset if we learn that choice was not a reaction to DJJ choosing to sign elsewhere, but I think SH just made a pretty compelling argument for not jumping to conclusions like that. 

And, I would suggest your valuation of what adding Klay Thompson is worth to this team is pretty far off.

[Scott41theMavs]

1) no one is arguing Klay in place of DJJ. 

2) a 20mil deal for your 3rd best guy isn't bad. 

3) Should Klay sign, I give it 10 games before you abandon this silly notion and you'll come back loving Klay.

Join the Kult man, it's better over here. 

The idea that 2024 Klay could ever in a million years contribute more to winning than PJ or Lively: 

[KillerLeft]

If true, this is basically the Mavs saying a "playing well" Hardaway was the piece they were counting on and couldn't get when they needed it. Having said that way back in March, I kind of get it.

Honestly, isn't Thompson better than Hardaway STILL? Isn't he likely to be a better team defender? Isn't he more of a winner? We're talking about $5-7 million more per to get THAT level of upgrade to a piece they kind of already have a means of integrating into their system.

[KillerLeft]

Honestly, this question is off the top of my head, because I haven't really thought about the off-season landscape from this strict of an angle, but knowing the Mavs' goal is to keep the team intact while significantly improving their outside shooting, IS there a better shooter even plausibly available this summer than Klay Thompson?

We've been saying "shooting from the wings and above the break" for 2-3 weeks. This would be adding two players who address that exact need by the first day of free agency, and BOTH of them can contribute, defensively (albeit on different levels).

Seriously, if they can do this AND retain DJJ, I don't know how you can be mad at it, I really don't.

[DallasMaverick]

You heard the scoop here first! Never forget that!

We at Mavsboard are filled with insiders

Sauces

[Scott41theMavs]

I'm going to be pretty upset if we learn this is "instead of" DJJ, 

Aw, hell, I'd view that as pretty obvious at this time.

Not sure if this is a matter of DJJ being mad at the Mavs and feeling that they're not willing to pony up. I'll bet they are. But if they told him, "we need more offense, so when we resign you, you'll be coming off the bench," I would not at all be surprised if his reaction was "'When you resign me' - lulz." The man earned his starting spot. I'm sure that a big part of the chemistry/family/willingness to come back for part of the NTMLE was the presumption that he'd also earned keeping it. 

Even if the Klutch move doesn't mean that he's mad right now, if the Mavs go get Klay, or KCP, or any other player, with the intention of his replacing DJJ as a starter, I think it's a pretty safe bet that the Mavs' probabilities of re-signing DJJ fall off a cliff.

[SleepingHero]

I also would like to point out Klay Thompson's career catch and shoot numbers:

2013-14: 44.3%
2014-15: 45.7%
2015-16: 44.1%
2016-17: 43.9%
2017-18: 44.7%
2018-19: 40.5%
2019-20: N/A
2020-21: N/A
2021-22: 36.4%
2022-23: 41.4%
2023-24: 38.1%

From 2013-2019 Klay led the league in catch and shoot 3pt attempts AND makes (all 6 of those seasons rank in the top 10 of all time in terms of catch and shoot 3pt makes). 

He led the league in career catch and shoot 3pt% at 43.9% in those 6 years. 

Last 2 years, Klay and Lauri have been tied in terms of most catch and shoot 3pt attempts in the league. Their averages? 
Klay: 39.8%
Lauri: 41.0%

Adding Klay to this team is akin to adding a Lauri Markkannen level shooter right now. And that's before giving him the Luka buff of wide open 3s. 

[Scott41theMavs]

I also would like to point out Klay Thompson's career catch and shoot numbers:

2013-14: 44.3%
2014-15: 45.7%
2015-16: 44.1%
2016-17: 43.9%
2017-18: 44.7%
2018-19: 40.5%
2019-20: N/A
2020-21: N/A
2021-22: 36.4%
2022-23: 41.4%
2023-24: 38.1%

From 2013-2019 Klay led the league in catch and shoot 3pt attempts AND makes (all 6 of those seasons rank in the top 10 of all time in terms of catch and shoot 3pt makes). 

He led the league in career catch and shoot 3pt% at 43.9% in those 6 years. 

Last 2 years, Klay and Lauri have been tied in terms of catch and shoot 3pt attempts. Their averages? 
Klay: 39.8%
Lauri: 41.0%

Adding Klay to this team is akin to adding a Lauri Markkannen level shooter right now. And that's before giving him the Luka buff of wide open 3s. 

Have you all missed the number of times Klay couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in games that mattered in the past two years? Goodness gracious.

[KillerLeft]

Aw, hell, I'd view that as pretty obvious at this time.

Not sure if this is a matter of DJJ being mad at the Mavs and feeling that they're not willing to pony up. I'll bet they are. But if they told him, "we need more offense, so when we resign you, you'll be coming off the bench," I would not at all be surprised if his reaction was "'When you resign me' - lulz." The man earned his starting spot. I'm sure that a big part of the chemistry/family/willingness to come back for part of the NTMLE was the presumption that he'd also earned keeping it. 

Even if the Klutch move doesn't mean that he's mad right now, if the Mavs go get Klay, or KCP, or any other player, with the intention of his replacing DJJ as a starter, I think it's a pretty safe bet that the Mavs' probabilities of re-signing DJJ fall off a cliff.

I don't know what the Klutch thing means, but Jaden Hardy is Klutch, as is Dereck Lively, whom is supposedly DJJ's closest friend on the team. Mix in Dudley heading over there (and reportedly staying) and it's not hard to imagine that maybe Harrison just has a good relationship with them. In other words, maybe this is all happening because these guys are staying, not because they're going. 

I really, really believe the Mavs/DJJ want to keep hanging out together. The messaging has been very consistent about that. I think you should step back from that cliff, my dude.

[KillerLeft]

We're so used to Donnie and especially Cuban being on the outs with certain agents, but my sense is that Harrison is cool with EVERYONE. He's well respected, even if we're too traumatized to believe he's actually qualified for this job yet (who could blame us for that).

[Jym]

Isn't Klutch going around collecting pretty much all the NBA players at this point?
That should be the least of our concerns at the moment

[BolsDamols]

signing a 34 year old on a 3-4 year contract with history of ACL and Achilles injuries. What could go wrong? i know he was once Klay Thompson, but this version is just a caricature of that guy.

I remember in the games Mavs played against GSW, I wanted Klay to shoot cause he was shooting them out of games. he is just not that guy anymore. this is a type of move that Cuban would make, but something I won't expect from Nico.

[KillerLeft]

Isn't Klutch going around collecting pretty much all the NBA players at this point?
That should be the least of our concerns at the moment

Agreed. Top of mind for me right now is that I brought up Klay Thompson 2-3 weeks ago and now SleepingHero is swooping in and stealing all the credit.

[SleepingHero]

Have you all missed the number of times Klay couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in games that mattered in the past two years? Goodness gracious.

Alright for you, I'll go through this entire season in 10 game sample sizes for Klay:

FG%/3pt%/FT%

Games 1-10

• 16.1ppg/3.9rpg/2.0apg | 42.6%/34.7%/83.3%
  

Games 12-22 (game 11 Klay played 1 minute and left turning his ankle)

• 16.2ppg/4.4rpg/2.2apg | 37.3%/34.4%/91.7%
  

Games 23-33

• 19.8ppg/3.1rpg/2.5apg | 46.7%/43.4%/94.1%
  

Games 34-44

• 18.6ppg/2.6rpg/2.8apg | 39.5%/36.5%/94.4%
  

Games 45-55

• 16.7ppg/3.8rpg/1.8apg | 44.4%/38.9%/100%
  

Games 56-66

• 17.7ppg/2.6rpg/2.4apg | 43.7%/42.3%/88.9%
  

Games 67-77

• 21.3ppg/3.0rpg/2.5apg | 48.3%/40.2%/100%
  

So aside from a pretty slow start in the first 20 games, Klay averaged the last 55 games: 

• 18.8ppg/3.0rpg/2.4apg on 44.5%/40.2%/95.2%
  

That's what THJ was giving us until January 29th. Here is THJs 10 game break down:

Games 1-10

• 17.6ppg/4.3rpg/1.6apg| 42.4%/38.0%/100%
  

Games 12-22 

• 17.8ppg/2.9/1.4apg| 41.1%/36.6%/80%
  

Games 23-33

• 17.0ppg/3.7rpg/2.1apg | 41.5%/31.1%/82.1%
  

Games 34-44

• 21.4ppg/4.2rpg/1.6apg| 45.0%/41.8%/88.9%
  

Games 45-55

• 10.5ppg/2.9rpg/1.6apg| 34.4%/31.5%/88.9%
  

Games 56-66

• 9.1ppg/2.2rpg/1.8apg| 36.3%/35.0%/72.2%
  

Games 67-77

• 9.3ppg/2.5rpg/2.0apg | 37.4%/31.7%/88.9%
  

Games 78-79

• 5.5ppg/1.5rpg/2.5apg | 26.7%/22.2%/50%
  

Between the two, THJ was the one who couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Don't let 1 performance of Klay not showing up in the play in sour you on who Klay actually is. He is by far and away a more consistent and worlds better version of THJ. And that's what we've always wanted from THJ himself! 

[KillerLeft]

signing a 34 year old on a 3-4 year contract with history of ACL and Achilles injuries. What could go wrong? i know he was once Klay Thompson, but this version is just a caricature of that guy.

I remember in the games Mavs played against GSW, I wanted Klay to shoot cause he was shooting them out of games. he is just not that guy anymore. this is a type of move that Cuban would make.

You're looking at it wrong. 

Yesterday, we thought the Mavs were going to have to pay a first to dump Hardaway just to bring back Jones. 

This morning, we learned that they didn't have to give up a first, dumped Hardaway, and ALSO got back Grimes.

Now, we're discussing a scenario that's starting to feel pretty likely: Hardaway and Green out, DJJ back, but along with Grimes AND Klay Thompson. As long as they don't get raked against the coals by GS in the trade (which I find unlikely - they're getting Paul George and will want Klay to land on his feet), there really isn't a downside here. If Klay gets hurt in his first preseason and literally never plays a real game for the Mavs, they're literally right where we thought they'd be this afternoon, and still BETTER OFF than we thought they'd be 24 hours ago. 

And, at the end of Kyrie's window, they'll now have not one but TWO usefully sized contracts for trade matching. 

Everyone just take a breath.

[BigDirk41]

Nobody expects 2015 Klay. That Klay would cost 50 million a year right now. We are looking at roughly 20 million per season for one of the best shooters of all time. He doesn't have to be prime Klay for this to work. He just needs to be a deadly catch and shoot player for us.

[Jason Terry]

Jason Terry is the only one truly sane person in this thread. Klay for DJJ (as the practical result of this acquisition) is objectively a step backwards. Too many people thinking Klay is 2015 Klay, when he is not. I suppose that's better than the doofuses out there (not here on the board, thank goodness) who still view Wiggins as a decent Mavs trade target. Klay is neither offensively nor defensively what he was in 2015, period. If it's a good idea to flush exorbitant money on Klay freaking Thompson in 2024 - way the hell past the man's prime - why don't we trade for CP3? How about getting Blake Griffin out of retirement? Why not just go all the way and go get MJ?

Mark my words - if the Mavs are stupid enough to throw money out the window (anything more than $5 mil a year is ridiculous, much less $20 per year) for a multiyear deal for Klay Thompson, by the time this coming season is over, that contract will be as hated by the entirety of the Mavs fanbase as the worst contract in franchise history, worse than THJ, Wes, Chandler Parsons, and all of Powell's deals put together. He will be unplayable in terms of actually trying to win games by the end of this coming season. Go ahead and pin this post, especially if the Mavs nuke the Luka era by making such a suicidal move. Goodness gracious, I bet that if there were some way to scientifically quantify subjective sports opinions and feelings, I'll bet I abhor this idea worse than Kamm hated trading for Kyrie.

Klay over DJJ would close the Kyrie window immediately. Westbrook style