Trade & FA 2024-25:

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

I don't think he is a scorer or playmaker. I like him because he isn't afraid to shoot when the ball gets swung around to him on the perimeter. Also, he can guard smaller/quicker guys than you ideally want DJJ or PJ guarding.

He complained to the media last year about his playing time with the Knicks and they shipped him off to Detroit.

I have to imagine he'd be a Josh Green replacement. (whether Green goes in this deal or another one)

[F Gump]

I would love the THJ-Grimes swap, as that solves what MUST be done in one package. That makes anything further completely optional. FWIW Grimes was not good at all in DET since he got there (and we have to be aware his value here would very much be TBD) - but even though they grabbed him from NY just a few months ago, they may be very willing and perhaps even eager to move on.

There is value to DET in having a placeholder for unused salary, that can be packaged and traded at the deadline, and the only "downside" is using the money on THJ rather than handing a check to the NBA in Oct.

[Smitty]

* Langdon was the GM that offered Tim 4/88M in '21
* Detroit as an organization have tried to trade for Tim in '15 when he was a Knick. And again last offseason, another rumored trade centered around Tim+ for Bogdanovic.
* Detroit was also among the serious suitors in '21, per multiple reports. 
* Tim is from Michigan and his dad was an assistant coach there.
* Langdon has expressed publicly that he wants to be competitive as early as next year and has been rumored to be interested in some of the bigger names this offseason. Tim can be viewed as a vet that fits in that transition and as an expiring can be another useful piece at the TDL, if needed.
* Buddy Hield (expiring) was traded to the Sixers for Korkmaz, McDermott, '24 SRP, '29 SRP, cash considerations. NOT apples to apples comparison here, plus a TDL deal.. - but as close as one can be to find some type of "value".
* The '25 SRP (TOR) is likely to be in the pick range of 31-39. It's not just a "throw-in" SRP.
* The previous coach and GM that traded for Grimes is no longer there. Mavs have been rumored to have interest in Grimes, per several reports.

My own personal opinion isn't the same as most here... I don't think it will take a FRP "just to get rid of Tim". I think there's a lot of smoke and connections with Detroit and that they might actually view him as a positive on the court and contract wise. Neutral at worst.

Bump.

[F Gump]

I wonder whether Grimes is a S&T candidate at $8.7M starting salary. He has not kicked on from his early promise last year. 10 of 46 games in double digits as a rookie. 37 of 71 games as a sophomore. Just 14 of 51 last year. I have aöways liked Grimes, but we need a reliable scorer not another Green/DJJ. So question is do you believe he can kick on again from his sophomore season and disregard last season.

Grimes is not a FA so SNT is not a thing in him being traded to DAL. A THJ-Grimes swap would be a July deal, presumably (once the new salaries and team payrolls kick in). His contract is $4.x, but since DET has tons of cap space, no salary match would be needed from their end (and from the Mavs end, 16.2 is bigger than 4.x).

[JamesConway912]

Mavs were rumored to be interested in Stewart a few months ago. Maybe they’ll revisit that? Shot 38% on a solid volume last year.

I don’t know much about Grimes but his 2023 season in NYK was impressive. 

Not sure it makes sense to have him on the roster with Green already here. Maybe that changes though.

[From Dirk to SCREW YOU Nico]

Green + Hardlyplay for Grimes + Stewart.

Would you do it?

[SleepingHero]

Not sure the value with Stewart money wise and role wise. Unless we moved off of Maxi too.

If we can do a THJ for Grimes swap flatly then the Mavs got 2 birds with 1 stone. Also frees up Green as a contract to use in a trade

[Mavs2021]

Grimes is not a FA so SNT is not a thing in him being traded to DAL. A THJ-Grimes swap would be a July deal, presumably (once the new salaries and team payrolls kick in). His contract is $4.x, but since DET has tons of cap space, no salary match would be needed from their end (and from the Mavs end, 16.2 is bigger than 4.x).

Oh I thought he was a RFA this year already. That would obviously be even better.

Let´s hope Langdon really likes THJ that much. 

[SleepingHero]

@TheDunkCentral
Teams showing interest in Brook Lopez:

Memphis Grizzles
Los Angeles Lakers
Oklahoma City Thunder
Dallas Mavericks
New Orleans Pelicans
Houston Rockets

(Via @GeryWoelfel)

[Chicagojk]

@TheDunkCentral
Teams showing interest in Brook Lopez:

Memphis Grizzles
Los Angeles Lakers
Oklahoma City Thunder
Dallas Mavericks
New Orleans Pelicans
Houston Rockets

(Via @GeryWoelfel)

Dallas finally finds out what it feels like to have real center play and now they have a center fetish.   LOL.   I don't buy it though.   How does Dallas get attached to everyone though?

[Mavs2021]

Hmmm.

Stewart + Grimes 19.3 for THJ + Kleber 27.2?

Makes some sense. Would line-up two more players with Luka´s timeline.

[Chicagojk]

I'd be more than fine to do a deal structured like this:

THJ+ 2025 top 20 protected first

Mavs get Grimes+#53+2027 2nd pick

*you can stop reading here if you want*

Perhaps Stewart also has to be included and sent to a 3rd team. Because I am obsessed. Lets add Thybulle to Dallas. Mavs can then send Green to Washington for #26. 

Roster looks like:

Luka/Hardy/Exum
Kyrie/Grimes
DJJ/Thybulle
PJ/Maxi/OMax/Morris
Gafford/Lively/Powell

Does Isiah Stewart have any value?   Hardaway to Detroit, Stewart to Portland and Dallas gets Thybulle.   Would that clear up any money?

[SleepingHero]

Does Isiah Stewart have any value?   Hardaway to Detroit, Stewart to Portland and Dallas gets Thybulle.   Would that clear up any money?

Stewart probably has some value. Shot 37% on 3s. Versatile defender. Can play the 5. 


Mavs would save about 5 million in this deal. It does not free up the MLE at all. Any Thybulle swap imo has to send out Green as well. Then the salaries make sense.

[SleepingHero]

What if....





2025 and some form of compensation is sent to WAS for Kuzma. A little bit of compensation is sent to Detroit. Portland swaps out a guy they aren't using with a guy they will maybe use.

[JamesConway912]

Hmmm.

Stewart + Grimes 19.3 for THJ + Kleber 27.2?

Makes some sense. Would line-up two more players with Luka´s timeline.

That would be a fun one. I’d expect Green to be moved as he’s somewhat redundant with Grimes.

Your playoff rotation basically goes 

Green ==> Grimes
Kleber ==> Stewart

THjr didn’t have a role, he gets replaced internally by Hardy

Probably a pretty even swap oncourt-wise for now but you’d be looking at young talent literally everywhere now. 

REALLY hope we’ll get Stewart. I don’t think his shooting is a fluke, we’d finally have a five out option again who might also be playable in some lineups at PF.

[SkenfromLMF]

Stewart probably has some value. Shot 37% on 3s. Versatile defender. Can play the 5. 


Mavs would save about 5 million in this deal. It does not free up the MLE at all. Any Thybulle swap imo has to send out Green as well. Then the salaries make sense.

Yeah I am kicking around the idea that Stewart and Grimes is a minimal savings to THJ & Powell;
Make it a 3-way move with Green to Portland for Thybulle.
This combines to about 3 million in savings AND Portland possibly needing to make up some difference (MT to JG), while Detroit owes for us taking on Stewart vs Powell long term.

[RoyTarpleysGhost]

although...does Stein still have sources in Dallas with Cuban no longer in the front office?

[Deebo]

Just get thj and maxi outta here. Bring Spencer back to vet min deal too - no idea why he signed Lakers over us

[SleepingHero]

Yeah I am kicking around the idea that Stewart and Grimes is a minimal savings to THJ & Powell;
Make it a 3-way move with Green to Portland for Thybulle.
This combines to about 3 million in savings AND Portland possibly needing to make up some difference (MT to JG), while Detroit owes for us taking on Stewart vs Powell long term.

At the end of the day the priority is still the MLE. Stewart on the Mavs doesn't trump DJJ resigning. That's why I'd just cut him out the deal entirely (or send him to Portland) and the Mavs can have Grimes/DJJ/Thybulle as their wing rotation.

[SleepingHero]

Just get thj and maxi outta here.  Bring Spencer back to vet min deal too - no idea why he signed Lakers over us

You don't think it'd be a bit beta to go and sign Spencer after he insulted the Mavs?

Left a horrid taste in my mouth.