Trade & FA 2024-25:

[KillerLeft]

Jimmy Butler

Khris Middleton

Here’s a couple of big names i could see being available to us.

Mikal and Lauri are unattainable

Butler isn’t a fit, like DeRozan. They are probably the two last remaining big-name wings who are non-shooters. Both are tremendous players, just not what the Mavericks need, I don’t think.

Middleton is probably less available than Markkanen, and like Markkanen, I think he’s a 4. 

This is going to be tough.

[Jason Terry]

Nic Batum

Gordon Hayward

Wish list for veteran minimum ring chasers

[mvossman]

My top somewhat realistic trade target this off-season is Deni Avdija. He’s been a Mavs target for a while.

I’m sure it’ll take Green to get it done so Green+Hardy+FRP for Deni.

Then I would do the THJ + SRP for Grimes trade I brought up weeks ago. For all the reasons I posted.

The reason I’d add Hardy to the Deni trade is both Grimes and Hardy are extension eligible next year and Rich Paul is going to want the most playing time for Hardy - what better place than the Wiz.

It also leaves the Mavs with enough room to bring back DJJ.

Luka | Exum | VetMin - DSJ/Wright/Mclaughlin/Beverley/Dinwiddie/Payne
Kyrie | Grimes | Lawson
Deni | DJJ | Omax
PJW | Maxi | Morris
Lively | Gaff | Powell

*Grimes is a career 37% 3PT shooter on 5 attempts per game. Good defender.
*Deni is a 6’9 SF with a pretty complete game. Averaged 15/7/4 this year and good defense. Also a 37% 3PT shooter.

I like Deni, but he shoots 3 threes a game and has been under 32% every season until this last.  I'm not sure he is going to be any better stretching the floor than DJJ.

I like Grimes, but he is going to cost more than Timmy and a second.  We are hoping that's enough to dump Timmy for air.  Why would they add Grimes when they just paid assets for him?

[KillerLeft]

I like Grimes, but he is going to cost more than Timmy and a second.  We are hoping that's enough to dump Timmy for air.  Why would they add Grimes when they just paid assets for him?

I know you understand this, and it's not about Grimes, specifically, because I agree that he's maybe not so gettable. But, I think it's important for some reading to point out that "dumping Timmy for air" is probably going to be more difficult and cost more, asset wise, than trading him for another player, even some that we might get excited about. 

It seems like very, very few teams will be looking to just ADD big salary in this new cap world, and those who've positioned themselves to make offers like that to teams in need will probably charge a premium.

[Jason Terry]

I know you understand this, and it's not about Grimes, specifically, because I agree that he's maybe not so gettable. But, I think it's important for some reading to point out that "dumping Timmy for air" is probably going to be more difficult and cost more, asset wise, than trading him for another player, even some that we might get excited about. 

It seems like very, very few teams will be looking to just ADD big salary in this new cap world, and those who've positioned themselves to make offers like that to teams in need will probably charge a premium.

While i agree it looks like things will be different overall when it comes to dumping contracts 

I think THJ has real value to Detroit. New GM that wants to establish a winning culture and raise the floor so they won’t be embarrassed again next year. THJ is hometown and his willingness to come off the bench is rare to find

It makes sense for them to get the best fits instead of some player who can’t contribute at all being dumped on their roster

[Jason Terry]

THJ plus 58 plus 2025 2nd

For pick 53

Draft day sure seems like the best day for a trade

[KillerLeft]

While i agree it looks like things will be different overall when it comes to dumping contracts 

I think THJ has real value to Detroit. New GM that wants to establish a winning culture and raise the floor so they won’t be embarrassed again next year. THJ is hometown and his willingness to come off the bench is rare to find

It makes sense for them to get the best fits instead of some player who can’t contribute at all being dumped on their roster

Remind me, what's Detroit's cap situation? Do they have enough room to absorb him for nothing? If not, do they have an exception and enough room under the apron?

It's probably not the best sign that we can only come up with one potential destination for the guy (for air, anyway). If we're seeing that, so is that one destination. Cha-ching!

[mvossman]

I know you understand this, and it's not about Grimes, specifically, because I agree that he's maybe not so gettable. But, I think it's important for some reading to point out that "dumping Timmy for air" is probably going to be more difficult and cost more, asset wise, than trading him for another player, even some that we might get excited about. 

It seems like very, very few teams will be looking to just ADD big salary in this new cap world, and those who've positioned themselves to make offers like that to teams in need will probably charge a premium.

Yeah, and I get the argument that it might be easier to attach the first to Timmy to get a usable player than to send assets to dump him.  But in this particular case, Detroit is probably our best chance to dump Timmy for just a second, so it doesn't seem likely that they would be willing to add a cheap asset to the deal.  There could be an argument for sending a first with Timmy for Grimes.  It would probably generate enough room for DJJ but I'm not sure it makes sense to have all of DJJ/Green/Grimes on the roster, all making MLE in a year.

[KillerLeft]

Yeah, and I get the argument that it might be easier to attach the first to Timmy to get a usable player than to send assets to dump him.  But in this particular case, Detroit is probably our best chance to dump Timmy for just a second, so it doesn't seem likely that they would be willing to add a cheap asset to the deal.  There could be an argument for sending a first with Timmy for Grimes.  It would probably generate enough room for DJJ but I'm not sure it makes sense to have all of DJJ/Green/Grimes on the roster, all making MLE in a year.

If that deal for Grimes was possible, and I’m not sure it is, I feel strongly enough about shooting that I’d be tempted to do it and then just let DJJ walk. Then, you’d have the MLE and BAE to use, yeah? You could get that backup PG everyone is crying for (though I’d be fine with extending the Exum experiment, truth be told). 

Or, you do that deal, re-sign DJJ with that MLE and trade Green for something. I like Grimes quite a bit.

[F Gump]

Remind me, what's Detroit's cap situation? Do they have enough room to absorb him for nothing? If not, do they have an exception and enough room under the apron?

In June? No.
In July? Yes. They have massive cap room in July.

[mvossman]

If that deal for Grimes was possible, and I’m not sure it is, I feel strongly enough about shooting that I’d be tempted to do it and then just let DJJ walk. Then, you’d have the MLE and BAE to use, yeah? You could get that backup PG everyone is crying for (though I’d be fine with extending the Exum experiment, truth be told). 

Or, you do that deal, re-sign DJJ with that MLE and trade Green for something. I like Grimes quite a bit.

You would not have the BAE as you essentially are spending that room on Grimes.  You probably wouldn't even the full MLE (it would be close).  Not sure if there is something you could get for that better than DJJ.  I'm also not sure what exactly you could get for Green.  But this is my general line of thinking.

[DanSchwartzgan]

Bobby Marks offseason guide for Dallas.  He thinks DJJ will get a Bruce Brown contract.  He thinks Dallas will likely use THJ or Maxi (plus draft capital) to upgrade the position anyway.

https://youtu.be/3SgunJ4kYwM?feature=shared

[Branduil]

DJJ getting a Bruce Brown contract when he didn't come close to matching Bruce Brown in the Finals and isn't as good anyway would be bizarre.

[RGP1981]

Luka | Exum | VetMin - DSJ/Wright/Mclaughlin/Beverley/Dinwiddie/Payne
Kyrie | Grimes | Lawson
Deni | DJJ | Omax
PJW | Maxi | Morris
Lively | Gaff | Powell

*Grimes is a career 37% 3PT shooter on 5 attempts per game. Good defender.
*Deni is a 6’9 SF with a pretty complete game. Averaged 15/7/4 this year and good defense. Also a 37% 3PT shooter.

I really like the idea of adding Deni Avdija and Quentin Grimes. Grimes is a shooter who can defend. Avdija makes the rotation of mobile forwards (PJW, Avdija, DJJ, O-Max) look a whole lot better. He can play alongside Luka and PJW... yet also effectively replace Luka in the lineup when Luka is sitting, and frees up Maxi to spend more time as the third, floor-spacing Center. Lots of positives there.

If the Mavs can add those two while keeping most of the other guys you have listed (especially DJJ... I don't care about Powell or Morris), I think they'd be a lot better suited to taking on and beating a team that is as loaded as the Celtics.

Of course though, the whole team still has to put in major work during the off-season to get stronger, quicker or fitter.

[Chicagojk]

It is going to be really hard for Jones to turn down a large offer. I am sure he would like to return here, but money talks. Just like Brown. I am just unsure he is going to get that sized contract. If he left, we would feel it. It may be the smart move if we had to move a future first to clear off Timmy's money.


If Jones left, I wonder if we would offer Green for Thybulle? Would I? I don't think so. The team appeared to think Thybulle was the better fit. If you remember they were expecting him to start if Portland didn't match.

Bruce Brown for Timmy and Powell. What else would Dallas need to include? A future first? Not sure I would do it for a first, but have trouble seeing the asset dallas could offer that would be fair to Toronto and Dallas.


Let me add for Green...I think his offense is fine. I think there are some areas for growth there, but I think defense is where he needs to improve. He should be a better defender. I think one of the reasons this team took off is DJJ is a much better defender against these great scorers of the league. Green has his moments. His impact in most of these games is pretty limited though. I would call him an average defender. He has the ability to be a real plus defender. I think his activity and energy hides the fact is he is not really good making things tough on these great scorers.

[Mavs2021]

Butler isn’t a fit, like DeRozan. They are probably the two last remaining big-name wings who are non-shooters. Both are tremendous players, just not what the Mavericks need, I don’t think.

Middleton is probably less available than Markkanen, and like Markkanen, I think he’s a 4. 

This is going to be tough.

I think DeRozan could have been really useful in the Boston series. They left a lot of mid-range space. That´s why PJ had some success with his floater game, when Kidd actually used it....like never. When you guard the corner threes and the rim that well, you obviously need to leave space somewhere else and in this case it was the mid-range, where we literally have nobody besides Luka, when Kyrie is having PbosTonSD.

[Mavs2021]

It is going to be really hard for Jones to turn down a large offer.  I am sure he would like to return here, but money talks.  Just like Brown.  I am just unsure he is going to get that sized contract.  If he left, we would feel it.  It may be the smart move if we had to move a future first to clear off Timmy's money.


If Jones left, I wonder if we would offer Green for Thybulle?  Would I?  I don't think so.  The team appeared to think Thybulle was the better fit.  If you remember they were expecting him to start if Portland didn't match. 

Bruce Brown for Timmy and Powell.  What else would Dallas need to include?  A future first?  Not sure I would do it for a first, but have trouble seeing the asset dallas could offer that would be fair to Toronto and Dallas.


Let me add for Green...I think his offense is fine.  I think there are some areas for growth there, but I think defense is where he needs to improve.  He should be a better defender.  I think one of the reasons this team took off is DJJ is a much better defender against these great scorers of the league.  Green has his moments.  His impact in most of these games is pretty limited though.  I would call him an average defender.  He has the ability to be a real plus defender.  I think his activity and energy hides the fact is he is not really good making things tough on these great scorers.

Cause he´s too short just like Powell. He should be defending the opposing PGs not the big SG/SF types. The better scorers just don´t feel his presence at all, even when he´s right in front of them with his arms up.

DJJ will get exactly MLE money. Not many contenders have MLE+ money and no rebuilding team has a need for his services. Unless one of them wants to do a strategic salary matching trade asset signing like Indiana with Bruce Brown. But that was a bit of a unique situation as 

1) Indiana had huge capspace 
2) Indiana was already pretty good
3) Indiana doesn´t like long rebuilds
4) Carlisle doesn´t either

Most teams will sell their capspace in trades for young players and draft capital or try to buy low on fallen angel/prospects to hit the salary floor, not sign a championship level roleplayer for trade matching purposes. Though it was pretty brilliant in hindsight.

I still maintain as long as the Mavs get to 44/4, which means a starting salary of around $10M, they´ll get it done. Total matters more than average.

[DanSchwartzgan]

DJJ getting a Bruce Brown contract when he didn't come close to matching Bruce Brown in the Finals and isn't as good anyway would be bizarre.

If you think about it, Bruce Brown wasn't really worth the Bruce Brown contract.  For Indy, it wasn't about his quality as a player.  It was about strategy (the ability to strategically package him for something greater).  

I think the new rules will encourage more of these 'human-TPE's'.  Clearly Marks thinks it too.

[DanSchwartzgan]

My top somewhat realistic trade target this off-season is Deni Avdija. He’s been a Mavs target for a while.

I’m sure it’ll take Green to get it done so Green+Hardy+FRP for Deni.

Then I would do the THJ + SRP for Grimes trade I brought up weeks ago. For all the reasons I posted.

raged 15/7/4 this year and good defense. Also a 37% 3PT shooter.

I'm a big Avdija fan.  He and Bogdan B. are probably my favorite THJ trade targets.  You can run some offense through either of them.  I give Avdija the edge on D, but Bogdanovic isn't terrible.  I'd feel very comfortable starting Avdija in place of DJJ.  Slightly less comfortable with BB.  In either case, I really like the idea of keeping two of Luka, Kyrie and Deni/Bogdan on the court at all times.  Avdija's contract is very reasonable and declining.  There is still upside there.

As to your deals, I've seen others propose that it would take 2025 and 2031 to get Avdija.  Maybe Green/Hardy instead of THJ is just as good as a distant pick.  But, they have Hardy already in Poole and I wonder if they would value Green that much more than former #10 pick Johnny Davis?  

I'm almost sure THJ/Second isn't enough for space AND Grimes.  They traded 2 seconds, Burks and Bogdanovic for Grimes.  THJ and a second is not a fair return.

Personally, I'd probably do what it takes to get Avdija and either keep Green off the bench or do THJ/Second to get the space for DJJ.  I don't think you have the firepower for Avdija and Grimes and frankly either Green or DJJ as a bench wing is perfectly fine.  

Lively    Gafford
PJ         Maxi
Avdija   OMax
Kyrie     Green or DJJ
Luka     Exum

[SleepingHero]

Evan Sidery (@esidery)
KJ Martin is an unrestricted free agent contending teams will attempt to secure on the veteran’s minimum market as a cheap rotation piece with potential upside.

The Bucks, Lakers, Nuggets, Suns and Warriors are potential fits for the athletic 23-year-old wing.