FA: Daniel Theis to NOP | 1 Yr/

[SleepingHero]

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[SleepingHero]

@wojespn
Free agent C Daniel Theis has agreed on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, sources tell ESPN. Theis, who’s entering his eighth NBA season, will lead Germany into the Summer Olympics.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

He could actually be their starting center, at this point. Unless they throw that rookie, they drafted in there.

[Chicagojk]

still need help there. They are not a true contender but they are a stage where they want to try to be. Can't do that with Theis and a young center. Not good enough. Zion will play minutes at center. I expect they will be patient, but they still need a starting caliber center at some point this offseason.

[omahen]

Theis is replacement for Nance, imho

[LukaMVP]

don't think he's starter quality tbh. speaking of overall ability he's somewhere between a healthy maxi and an injured maxi. he was benched for almost the entire series in the first round, even PJ Tucker got minutes ahead of him.

[SleepingHero]

I keep trying to find the Brandon Ingram team and I'm running out of ones that make sense for New Orleans.

Not only does the team need to have a starting center that interests New Orleans, but they also have to be willing to give Ingram the contract he wants or else they're risking losing him for nothing the following summer.

That narrows it down to basically no one. I mean we see Lavine right now who is overpaid at 43 mil. Ingram's max contract will start him at around 48 and continue to climb to 57. Not only is Ingram nowhere close to that sort of worth, his health also makes that contract even more terrifying.

1 team that kind of made sense to me was Portland.

NOP: Ayton
POR: Ingram

1 for 1 swap. Portland gets off of Ayton as they have too many centers anyways with Timelord, Ayton, and now Clingan. Positional wise, it makes sense. Then you start thinking about why would Portland want Ingram? They are trying to be bad next year. They're trying to reduce their salary too, and an Ingram extension will have them flirt with the first apron with a payroll of 183mil the next offseason. Plus does Ingram+Jerami Grant work together? They just traded for Avdija too! Do the Pelicans add in CJ McCollum and take Grant off of Portlands hands? All that does is swap 2 bad contracts for each team but opens up POR to a massive extension thats looming over their heads in the future.

So for so many reasons Ingram doesn't make sense there.

ATL had a chance for Ingram and they actively chose to keep Capela and Okongwu over Ingram.

The last team that kind of makes sense to me are the Bucks.

NOP: Brook Lopez+Bobby Portis
MIL: Ingram+1sts.

Theoretically Ingram makes sense as a Khris Middleton replacement. They've been shopping Brook this entire summer too. The hangup? MIL is a 2nd apron team so they can't aggregate 2 guys for another guy making more. So that kind of disqualifies them anyways.

So I'm left with wondering how the heck can the Pelicans get a center if they can't use Ingram? I think this Theis signing is more of a desperation stop gap as they figure out what to do than it is as for any sort of backup plan. I don't think New Orleans anticipated an icy center market or Ingram market, or they probably would have placed a bigger importance on retaining Valanciunas.

[Chicagojk]

I keep trying to find the Brandon Ingram team and I'm running out of ones that make sense for New Orleans.

Not only does the team need to have a starting center that interests New Orleans, but they also have to be willing to give Ingram the contract he wants or else they're risking losing him for nothing the following summer.

That narrows it down to basically no one. I mean we see Lavine right now who is overpaid at 43 mil. Ingram's max contract will start him at around 48 and continue to climb to 57. Not only is Ingram nowhere close to that sort of worth, his health also makes that contract even more terrifying.

1 team that kind of made sense to me was Portland.

NOP: Ayton
POR: Ingram

1 for 1 swap. Portland gets off of Ayton as they have too many centers anyways with Timelord, Ayton, and now Clingan. Positional wise, it makes sense. Then you start thinking about why would Portland want Ingram? They are trying to be bad next year. They're trying to reduce their salary too, and an Ingram extension will have them flirt with the first apron with a payroll of 183mil the next offseason. Plus does Ingram+Jerami Grant work together? They just traded for Avdija too! Do the Pelicans add in CJ McCollum and take Grant off of Portlands hands? All that does is swap 2 bad contracts for each team but opens up POR to a massive extension thats looming over their heads in the future.

So for so many reasons Ingram doesn't make sense there.

ATL had a chance for Ingram and they actively chose to keep Capela and Okongwu over Ingram.

The last team that kind of makes sense to me are the Bucks.

NOP: Brook Lopez+Bobby Portis
MIL: Ingram+1sts.

Theoretically Ingram makes sense as a Khris Middleton replacement. They've been shopping Brook this entire summer too. The hangup? MIL is a 2nd apron team so they can't aggregate 2 guys for another guy making more. So that kind of disqualifies them anyways.

So I'm left with wondering how the heck can the Pelicans get a center if they can't use Ingram? I think this Theis signing is more of a desperation stop gap as they figure out what to do than it is as for any sort of backup plan. I don't think New Orleans anticipated an icy center market or Ingram market, or they probably would have placed a bigger importance on retaining Valanciunas.

Interesting thoughts.  Yes, I am having trouble seeing Ingram fits.   

The Ayton idea is interesting.  Two flawed prospects.  I could see New Orleans being intrigued with Ayton though.     There is a route where that could look really good.   Probably not realistic, but I could see that being something they could be interested in.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

I keep trying to find the Brandon Ingram team and I'm running out of ones that make sense for New Orleans.

Not only does the team need to have a starting center that interests New Orleans, but they also have to be willing to give Ingram the contract he wants or else they're risking losing him for nothing the following summer.

That narrows it down to basically no one. I mean we see Lavine right now who is overpaid at 43 mil. Ingram's max contract will start him at around 48 and continue to climb to 57. Not only is Ingram nowhere close to that sort of worth, his health also makes that contract even more terrifying.

1 team that kind of made sense to me was Portland.

NOP: Ayton
POR: Ingram

1 for 1 swap. Portland gets off of Ayton as they have too many centers anyways with Timelord, Ayton, and now Clingan. Positional wise, it makes sense. Then you start thinking about why would Portland want Ingram? They are trying to be bad next year. They're trying to reduce their salary too, and an Ingram extension will have them flirt with the first apron with a payroll of 183mil the next offseason. Plus does Ingram+Jerami Grant work together? They just traded for Avdija too! Do the Pelicans add in CJ McCollum and take Grant off of Portlands hands? All that does is swap 2 bad contracts for each team but opens up POR to a massive extension thats looming over their heads in the future.

So for so many reasons Ingram doesn't make sense there.

ATL had a chance for Ingram and they actively chose to keep Capela and Okongwu over Ingram.

The last team that kind of makes sense to me are the Bucks.

NOP: Brook Lopez+Bobby Portis
MIL: Ingram+1sts.

Theoretically Ingram makes sense as a Khris Middleton replacement. They've been shopping Brook this entire summer too. The hangup? MIL is a 2nd apron team so they can't aggregate 2 guys for another guy making more. So that kind of disqualifies them anyways.

So I'm left with wondering how the heck can the Pelicans get a center if they can't use Ingram? I think this Theis signing is more of a desperation stop gap as they figure out what to do than it is as for any sort of backup plan. I don't think New Orleans anticipated an icy center market or Ingram market, or they probably would have placed a bigger importance on retaining Valanciunas.

Good analogy, but now the Bucks are without a center. Lopez is the starter, and Portis technically is his backup.

[SleepingHero]

Good analogy, but now the Bucks are without a center. Lopez is the starter, and Portis technically is his backup.

Giannis is technically the backup. When Lopez sits, Portis comes in, but he's not playing the 5. 

The Bucks couldn't even do the deal I floated above due to 2nd apron rules. BUT If they did, I'd imagine they'd trade Middleton to get some sort of center.

[HoosierDaddyKid]

Giannis is technically the backup. When Lopez sits, Portis comes in, but he's not playing the 5. 

The Bucks couldn't even do the deal I floated above due to 2nd apron rules. BUT If they did, I'd imagine they'd trade Middleton to get some sort of center.

Fair enough. I've seen Portis at the 5 at times, so they rotate Portis and Giannis at center.  Either way, it would leave a void. The Bucks went all in on Lillard, now it's come back to bite them with diminished assets.

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

Giannis is technically the backup. When Lopez sits, Portis comes in, but he's not playing the 5. 

The Bucks couldn't even do the deal I floated above due to 2nd apron rules. BUT If they did, I'd imagine they'd trade Middleton to get some sort of center.

Would they be interested in Gafford? Lopez and contracts and Hardy/picks to NO. Ingram and Gafford to Milwaukee. Middleton to Mavs. 

I know there are probably a thousand ways that this is not legal. Just think Middleton is a great “buy low” right now. And he is a big time playoff performer, his game is tailor made for the playoffs. We make him our super sixth man. He would crush units.

[SleepingHero]

Would they be interested in Gafford? Lopez and contracts and Hardy/picks to NO. Ingram and Gafford to Milwaukee. Middleton to Mavs. 

I know there are probably a thousand ways that this is not legal. Just think Middleton is a great “buy low” right now. And he is a big time playoff performer, his game is tailor made for the playoffs. We make him our super sixth man. He would crush units.

I don't think they'd be interested in a rim roller next to Giannis because that occupies the space Giannis operates. Brook stays out on the perimeter on offense which lets Giannis drive. Gafford would clog the paint up.


And like you said, none of that is a legal trade anyways. Mavs are hardcapped. MIL can't aggregate contracts. 

But its a fun exercise to think about

[MarkAguirreWrathofGod]

I don't think they'd be interested in a rim roller next to Giannis because that occupies the space Giannis operates. Brook stays out on the perimeter on offense which lets Giannis drive. Gafford would clog the paint up.


And like you said, none of that is a legal trade anyways. Mavs are hardcapped. MIL can't aggregate contracts. 

But its a fun exercise to think about

Yes you’re right. I was just daydreaming about ways to get Middleton here. Think he’s about to have a nice bounce back season. And then his contract is up after next season.