(02-19-2021, 02:47 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Honestly just thinking about it, if we're debating Drummond pros and cons and are mulling it over, why don't the Mavs try and make a play for Al Horford?

We know there was some supposed interest back in the 2019 offseason. Horford off the bench would be what is probably his best role, and his impact on winning is well documented.

But the real prize for me in any Al Horford trade, would be to try and snag Lugentz Dort. 

Johnson+Richardson+Green+2027 FRP is what I was thinking for Horford+Dort. Seems like a lot, but Dort is one of, if not the, best perimeter defender in the league. His scoring is volatile, but he's basically a better version of Richardson at this point AND Al fixes our big man rotation.

After that trade I'd go and dangle WCS or Powell to a team seriously in need of depth there, like TOR or Nets and try and snag a pick from them.

(02-19-2021, 03:36 AM)cow Wrote: The problem is that Horford isn't a great rebounder either and that trade seems awfully expensive.  On the plus side the defense would improve and Horford isn't going to get bodied down low like the rest of the rotation.  I don't hate the idea but I hate the price tag you've purposed and I'm not sure the improved defense is going to offset the continuation of getting smashed on the boards.

(02-19-2021, 03:36 AM)cow Wrote: Anyone interested in Kevin Love?

(02-19-2021, 10:14 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-star-players-20210212-3dgxfd34ardmxi3lj756padtaa-story.html

This reporter is a Knick beat writer, but he laid out the rumored asking price for Beal right now.

"So what would be the trade cost?

Three different executives, who spoke to the News, defined the price as steep. One longtime GM laid it out specifically: three unprotected first rounders, two pick swaps, a young player and an expiring contract. That’s approaching Harden territory. The Nets, as the News reported, had internally discussed acquiring Beal long before exhausting their assets for Harden."

That's certainly a very very very steep asking price. Zach Lavine certainly wouldn't cost that much. But if we assume that's the tippy top end, we can guesstimate that Lavine would probably cost 2 FRP+1 pick swap+Young Player+ Expiring contract. Mavs could certainly do that but it'd be their final all-in move.

(02-19-2021, 11:17 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Lots of possibilities, but the one thing that’s certain is that James Johnson will be traded. He must be traded. The Mavs moved Wright for him in the offseason. Wright has a Raptor score of +3 (excellent) while Johnson is -4 (atrocious). The story is the same for every statistical model. Wright is a pretty good role player, while Johnson has already given his all and has no remaining basketball value. Obviously, the trade was not made based on expected on court contributions. But, Johnson does have a valuable expiring contract. Thus, he must be moved by the deadline or that trade becomes a complete fail. The only question is for who? I like the idea of pairing him with Powell to get Drummond and would do that, but I don’t love it. For a roster reset, I’d suggest moving him with Zinger to Boston for Kemba, Pritchard, Williams III, and a couple of firsts. The Celtics want to add shooting with size after all. Or, maybe there’s something better out there, but in the end, Johnson has to be traded.

(02-19-2021, 11:17 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: For a roster reset, I’d suggest moving him with Zinger to Boston for Kemba, Pritchard, Williams III, and a couple of firsts. The Celtics want to add shooting with size after all. Or, maybe there’s something better out there, but in the end, Johnson has to be traded.

(02-19-2021, 11:17 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: Lots of possibilities, but the one thing that’s certain is that James Johnson will be traded. He must be traded. The Mavs moved Wright for him in the offseason. Wright has a Raptor score of +3 (excellent) while Johnson is -4 (atrocious). The story is the same for every statistical model. Wright is a pretty good role player, while Johnson has already given his all and has no remaining basketball value. Obviously, the trade was not made based on expected on court contributions. But, Johnson does have a valuable expiring contract. Thus, he must be moved by the deadline or that trade becomes a complete fail. The only question is for who? I like the idea of pairing him with Powell to get Drummond and would do that, but I don’t love it. For a roster reset, I’d suggest moving him with Zinger to Boston for Kemba, Pritchard, Williams III, and a couple of firsts. The Celtics want to add shooting with size after all. Or, maybe there’s something better out there, but in the end, Johnson has to be traded.

(02-19-2021, 11:17 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I like the idea of pairing him with Powell to get Drummond and would do that, but I don’t love it. For a roster reset, I’d suggest moving him with Zinger to Boston for Kemba, Pritchard, Williams III, and a couple of firsts. The Celtics want to add shooting with size after all. Or, maybe there’s something better out there, but in the end, Johnson has to be traded.

(02-19-2021, 11:44 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure Boston would be interested, but I’d do this trade. 10/10

(02-19-2021, 01:19 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Have you seen Kemba this year? Dude is damaged goods. They're desperately trying to flip him into an impact player. Why would we want to swap guys with knee issues, even if it nets us a couple of picks? This is a devil you know vs the one you don't, except the unknown Devil here is pretty well known to be worse than the one we got. 

KP has been far and away a better player than Kemba has this year as well. Which should be saying something given how much criticism KP has gotten. Kemba is due more money than Zinger too. This is a tanking move if I've ever seen one and sets the Mavs back multiple years.

(02-19-2021, 01:19 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Have you seen Kemba this year? Dude is damaged goods. They're desperately trying to flip him into an impact player. Why would we want to swap guys with knee issues, even if it nets us a couple of picks? This is a devil you know vs the one you don't, except the unknown Devil here is pretty well known to be worse than the one we got. 

KP has been far and away a better player than Kemba has this year as well. Which should be saying something given how much criticism KP has gotten. Kemba is due more money than Zinger too. This is a tanking move if I've ever seen one and sets the Mavs back multiple years.

(02-19-2021, 10:14 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: That's certainly a very very very steep asking price. Zach Lavine certainly wouldn't cost that much. But if we assume that's the tippy top end, we can guesstimate that Lavine would probably cost 2 FRP+1 pick swap+Young Player+ Expiring contract. Mavs could certainly do that but it'd be their final all-in move.

(02-19-2021, 01:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Know what? You’re right. Taking on Kemba right now is dumb. I saw a chance to get rid of KP’s contract and net some picks (and Pritchard) and jumped. But yeah, taking Walker back nullifies much of the benefit.

...only because of his injury, though.

(02-19-2021, 01:58 PM)omahen Wrote: I like the idea of LaVine. The cost is realistic (it is basically KP cost). It basically means THJ (or Johnson)+Brunson+picks. However, if we would do such a trade, KP absolutely has to go. No way the team would be competitive with three bad defenders.

(02-19-2021, 01:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Know what? You’re right. Taking on Kemba right now is dumb. I saw a chance to get rid of KP’s contract and net some picks (and Pritchard) and jumped. But yeah, taking Walker back nullifies much of the benefit.

...only because of his injury, though.

(02-19-2021, 06:08 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/CallieCaplan/status/1362872373335257090

(02-19-2021, 07:21 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’m not sure should expect him to say anything else.  Can you see him saying “yeah, these guys we have are bums.  Hopefully Mark and Donnie can get me a damned rebounder”.

(02-19-2021, 07:26 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Dude, did you read what Ainge said about Boston’s roster the other day? Bananas.