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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 02-17-2021
Obviously not as easy but if the Mavs had just signed the local guys in FA since the Luka draft. Added another local guy instead of KP via trade.
18: Marcus Smart
19: Julius Randle
Trade: Myles Turner
Luka/Smart/DFS/Randle/Turner
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-17-2021
Here is why I want Andre Drummond:
The Mavericks are 26th in the NBA in offensive Rebounding.
Adding Andre Drummond who is averaging between 5 to 6 offensive rebounds a game would put us in the the top 10 range.
Given that we shoot a lot of threes, those would be extra opportunities for second chance points.
I will not go into his dominance in the defensive rebounding game.
Until this year Drummond has not shot below 50% from 2 point range which could be an indication he is not being used right.
The best asset to any big man is good guards and Cleveland has good guards but they are young and don't really know how to involve an NBA big man offensively.
The Mavericks have been dominated by every playoff teams front court and every Western Conference team in the playoff hunt has a legit frontcourt. KP is not physical enough to even out frontcourt production.
If we cannot consistently defend the paint and rebound we will continue to be an average team.
Luka would utilize Drummond offensively so I am not worried about that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-17-2021
(02-17-2021, 10:10 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Here is why I want Andre Drummond:
Ok so who are you trading for Drummond?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 02-17-2021
(02-17-2021, 10:10 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Here is why I want Andre Drummond:I think these are all legitimate points. I can't help but think Drummond would probably solve a lot of our issues. I just wish his defense and FT shooting weren't such an issue. I understand the point of our defense can't get much worse.
The Mavericks are 26th in the NBA in offensive Rebounding.
Adding Andre Drummond who is averaging between 5 to 6 offensive rebounds a game would put us in the the top 10 range.
Given that we shoot a lot of threes, those would be extra opportunities for second chance points.
I will not go into his dominance in the defensive rebounding game.
Until this year Drummond has not shot below 50% from 2 point range which could be an indication he is not being used right.
The best asset to any big man is good guards and Cleveland has good guards but they are young and don't really know how to involve an NBA big man offensively.
The Mavericks have been dominated by every playoff teams front court and every Western Conference team in the playoff hunt has a legit frontcourt. KP is not physical enough to even out frontcourt production.
If we cannot consistently defend the paint and rebound we will continue to be an average team.
Luka would utilize Drummond offensively so I am not worried about that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SkenfromLMF - 02-17-2021
Big Nasty Nightmare (not fantasy) Trade and I hate myself...
Dallas is taking on Andre Drummond and Kevin Love
Houston gets KP and Jason Richardson
Cleveland gets Johnson and Powell (Not sure where to send out Burke and Iwundu so Cleveland for this exercise).
Houston sends Dallas Victor Oladipo and Wood.
Houston gets pick swap rights on Dallas' available picks (2 years) and Cleveland (1 year)
Either WCS or Boban would be the last piece of ballast for salary purposes and can go to either team.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-17-2021
(02-17-2021, 10:32 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: Big Nasty Nightmare (not fantasy) Trade and I hate myself...
Dallas is taking on Andre Drummond and Kevin Love
Houston gets KP and Jason Richardson
Cleveland gets Johnson and Powell (Not sure where to send out Burke and Iwundu so Cleveland for this exercise).
Houston sends Dallas Victor Oladipo and Wood.
Houston gets pick swap rights on Dallas' available picks (2 years) and Cleveland (1 year)
Either WCS or Boban would be the last piece of ballast for salary purposes and can go to either team.
Jason Richardson is retired, my guy.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - cow - 02-18-2021
(02-17-2021, 10:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Ok so who are you trading for Drummond?
Depends if the MBT view this as a rental or a long term plan. If they intend to resign Drummond, I'd offer up Jalen.
Aside: I've been thinking about KP trades for fun. I wonder if there is a deal that could be done centering around KP and Vucevic.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-18-2021
(02-17-2021, 10:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Ok so who are you trading for Drummond?
It depends on a multitude of factors but I see him as a long term option at center.
If he is willing to take a Steven Adams type of contract around 16 million I do the trade and I am willing to do the following:
Dallas
Andre Drummond
Call up Tyler Bey
Cleveland
Al Horford
OKC
James Johnson
Dwight Powell
Mavericks protected 2nd
Cleveland gets a long term vet piece at Center to compliment Love who could also double as PF. I have done a lot of crafty things that could net us different things and shed cap at the same time. Dallas gets Andre Drummond and rid of Dwight Powell's contract. Powell and Horford have the same amount of years left on their deals. Powell gives them an additional 15 million in salary to round out their roster next year maybe more if they buyout Powell
You are essentially trading Dwight Powell to rent Drummond for 3 months. OKC will have to have vet salaries to maintain being at the cap floor. Horford will not play for the Thunder beyond this year IMO.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 02:52 AM)cow Wrote: Depends if the MBT view this as a rental or a long term plan. If they intend to resign Drummond, I'd offer up Jalen.
Aside: I've been thinking about KP trades for fun. I wonder if there is a deal that could be done centering around KP and Vucevic.
Given the iffy fit on the face of it with KP, I'd feel Drummond would more be a rental than long term in my gut. In any case, I'd never offer what is probably our best trade asset for Drummond. I think Brunson can be apart of a Beal package, not a Drummond one to me.
It's hard to gauge a trade for KP. Like on the face of it Vuce is having undoubtedly a better year. But does it make much sense to trade a 25 year old with a 30/10 ceiling, for a 31 year old that is nearing the end of his prime?
One KP trade I've been kicking around with is calling the Wolves for KAT. They're on similar timelines, similar games, similar contracts. Heck even KAT has been hit with the injury bug the last 2 years. I just don't know why the Wolves would do it, or the Mavs for that matter given how similar KP/KAT are.
(02-18-2021, 03:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: It depends on a multitude of factors but I see him as a long term option at center.
If he is willing to take a Steven Adams type of contract around 16 million I do the trade and I am willing to do the following:
Dallas
Andre Drummond
Call up Tyler Bey
Cleveland
Al Horford
OKC
James Johnson
Dwight Powell
Mavericks protected 2nd
Yeah that's probably the max I'm willing to go for any Drummond trade, and it eerily matches up with the value CLE gave up for him in the first place.
The only roadblock I can think of is the Mavs letting go of Powell, who we all know how fond they are of. Especially as a locker room presence. Is a Drummond rental experiment worth losing that kind of voice in the locker room? I think so, the Mavs probably don't.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - cow - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 04:00 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Given the iffy fit on the face of it with KP, I'd feel Drummond would more be a rental than long term in my gut. In any case, I'd never offer what is probably our best trade asset for Drummond. I think Brunson can be apart of a Beal package, not a Drummond one to me.
I think people tend to overrate Jalen here. He is a rock solid backup but his physical limitations are never going to let him get past that status. I can see not wanting to give him up if Drummond is a rest-of-the-year rental. I don't think you are going to trade for Drummond and ditch Powell for the cost of a 2nd rounder. Conversely, we aren't getting Beal and even if we had the assets, including Jalen isn't going to sway that discussion much if at all.
I think we are also going crazy with the "does he fit conversation" too that permeated the Gobert discussions. We need to stop thinking in terms of fit with K
This team is broken right now and one player is going to fix everything that is wrong. Drummond might not fix our broken defense but it sure would be nice to cut down on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th chance points we routinely give up. I also don't really care about fit with KP right now. The dude is little more than a seven footer with a sweet stroke...the rest of his offensive game is pants.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 02-18-2021
Only way I consider Drummond or Griffin would be some kind of reversed Mavs-Knicks trade. Getting out of some longterm salary and adding younger players or picks. That obviously won´t happen because the Mavs won´t trade KP and never go for younger players and future picks. Only trade for win now pieces.
With the Pistons:
Griffin + Okafor + Doumbouya (or Stewart) + Bey + 2023 1st --> Porzingis + Powell + Burke + Iwundu
With the Cavaliers: really difficult because they already have a young starting center
Drummond + Nance Jr + Okoro + 2023 1st + 2 2nds --> Porzingis + Powell + Iwundu
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 05:42 AM)cow Wrote: This team is broken right now and one player is going to fix everything that is wrong
I think this is way too harsh and too rush of a statement. There are several objective elements that might influence the performances of the team and there is just impossible, at least with our level of knowledge, to deduct the reasons and solution. Therefore rush actions are not wise, as they might just lead to lost assets.
Drummond might have nice rebounding numbers but he is even less efficient than KP on the offensive side. He would certainly clogg the lane and I just can't imagine how awful our perimeter defense would be with both of them on the floor. On the other hand, our rim protection might improve, that is true.
KP or no KP, I don't see Drummond as a longterm solution. He is way to similar to DeAndre for me and we saw how that went. So, if he gets bought out and wants to come to Dallas, sure, why not. I would not waste assets trading for him.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 03:21 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: DallasDon't know why we need to add a 2nd to OKC who is giving up Horford who has negative value.
Andre Drummond
Call up Tyler Bey
Cleveland
Al Horford
OKC
James Johnson
Dwight Powell
Mavericks protected 2nd
Don't see why Cle wants to ADD bad salary when they can just keep sitting Drummond through the end of this year and be done with the contract. They already have Love's horrible contract.
If Cle wants more than Powell and JJ for Drummond, I'm out. Powell would be a good backup to Allen, their new toy. A good locker room presence for a young team (they already have Love for that though) and a good cheerleader from the bench.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-18-2021
https://theathletic.com/2393621/2021/02/18/andre-drummond-trade-nba-basketball/
Quotes:
The Mavericks have the salaries to make a trade for Drummond work in James Johnson and Tim Hardaway Jr., but giving up an asset to pair Drummond and Kristaps Porzingis is one of the worst ideas I think I’ve heard for a team that desperately needs help on defense with mobility.
He has a staggering usage rate over 30 percent while shooting just 43 percent on post-ups and 47 percent around the rim in half-court settings despite being 6-foot-10 with a 7-foot-5 wingspan.
So far this season, 48 centers have taken at least 50 shots from 2-point range without dribbling first. The average percentage centers shoot on such shots is 63.4 percent. So far, Drummond has taken 135 such shots and made them at just 57 percent, which is 38th-best.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 12:59 PM)omahen Wrote: but giving up an asset to pair Drummond and Kristaps Porzingis is one of the worst ideas I think I’ve heard for a team that desperately needs help on defense with mobility.
Everyone on this board should read the above 3 times aloud to themselves each night before they nod off into dreamland.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 01:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Everyone on this board should read the above 3 times aloud to themselves each night before they nod off into dreamland.The trade asset proposed is THJ. I don't think there is a single person on this board wanting to do that. Well, maybe the guy that is ok with trading Brunson for him, but other than that dude, everyone agrees with that statement in the context it was written. Also, Powell isn't an asset. Actually, JJ might be.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SkenfromLMF - 02-18-2021
IF I am Cleveland, I would rather move Love's contract if Powell is part of the return. Not saying they can accomplish this goal, but IF Cleveland is trying to lessen future salary commitments - Powell is going to take some sweetener to make the deal go down.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 01:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Everyone on this board should read the above 3 times aloud to themselves each night before they nod off into dreamland.
Mavs won't be trading for Drummond, they would just try to get him in a buyout situation and there are plenty of teams interested. If you bring him off the bench he can get a lot of buckets.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - cow - 02-18-2021
(02-18-2021, 02:09 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The trade asset proposed is THJ. I don't think there is a single person on this board wanting to do that. Well, maybe the guy that is ok with trading Brunson for him, but other than that dude, everyone agrees with that statement in the context it was written. Also, Powell isn't an asset. Actually, JJ might be.
How passive aggressive of you.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-19-2021
Honestly just thinking about it, if we're debating Drummond pros and cons and are mulling it over, why don't the Mavs try and make a play for Al Horford?
We know there was some supposed interest back in the 2019 offseason. Horford off the bench would be what is probably his best role, and his impact on winning is well documented.
But the real prize for me in any Al Horford trade, would be to try and snag Lugentz Dort.
Johnson+Richardson+Green+2027 FRP is what I was thinking for Horford+Dort. Seems like a lot, but Dort is one of, if not the, best perimeter defender in the league. His scoring is volatile, but he's basically a better version of Richardson at this point AND Al fixes our big man rotation.
After that trade I'd go and dangle WCS or Powell to a team seriously in need of depth there, like TOR or Nets and try and snag a pick from them.