(02-16-2021, 11:24 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Federally Appointed KP Hater.. 

(02-16-2021, 10:42 AM)Kammrath Wrote: I respect that many of y'all seem to want Lowry, that is your legit basketball opinion apparently (and I get that Lowry has been a good ball player)....


.....but this is how it makes me feel:

(02-16-2021, 10:55 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: That's how Drummond makes me feel. Tho I might be interested in him as a way to salary dump KP/Powell.

(02-16-2021, 11:31 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I've said over and over, you can't tank this year. You only do such a deal if Drummond is to be here longterm, which you don't want him to be. 

The only "KP salary dump" that makes sense is a trade involving NY (likely multi-team for obvious reasons) is one that gets us back our picks.

(02-16-2021, 12:44 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think it was Dan or Kamm that said let KP do his thing for the rest of this year. That keeps him happy, and the happier he is, in theory, the better he will play. In the offseason (if he isn't nursing yet another injury) you make a decision on if you want to keep making him happy, or trade him for a value that is on par with his potential. That, to me, is the only way to get max value out of him either way.

(02-16-2021, 01:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Having said that, we might all wish fairly soon that instead of "get the most out of a KP trade possible" the plan would've been "avoid getting stuck with KP when the music stops."

(02-16-2021, 01:14 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Even if we're "stuck" with KP for the rest of his contract, he is still a 20 pt, 8-9 reb, 1.6-2 block player (if not more as he gains confidence and strength and happiness from playing however he wants to).

(02-16-2021, 01:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oooooooh, I'm not so sure of that. 

He could get much worse. Or, he could be healthy for only 40 games over the next three seasons...or fewer. If I agreed that what you describe above is the worst case scenario, I'd be lockstep in line with your thinking, but...what if it's the BEST case scenario?

(02-16-2021, 01:19 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: So can every player in the NBA. I also accounted for his injury history.

(02-16-2021, 01:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: True, but I feel like there are indications that make the "worst case scenario" seem much more likely in KP's case than for most other players. I'm not saying it's a forgone conclusion, but pretending he has the same odds as anyone else is a major stretch. 

I really hope the Mavs aren't burying their heads in the sand on this. This is such a critical decision.

(02-16-2021, 02:55 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Did no one see my point that it only takes one of the other 29 teams with value interest (willing to pay what he ought to be worth in trade), and then you bring in the third team who has what you want? We get the players we want, team two gets Porzingis, and team three gets the value from team three. In the event that KL is right about KP (maybe KL is just jealous about KP honing in on the "K initial" market...), then it only takes one team in the entire league to make it worthwhile. Then it doesn't matter what the other 28 teams think about him. The only issue is making KP mad if you float him in trade and there isn't a team who will give value.

(02-16-2021, 02:50 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: What happened to you? You've been the pinnacle of "be patient". I feel like KP did something to you personally.

(02-16-2021, 03:06 PM)omahen Wrote: Interesting dilemma at this point for me is: would you go "all in" for a semi star player if available?

By semi star player I consider players of Collins or LaVine level. By all in I mean 2025 and 2027 FRP, Brunson, salary filler and whatever assets needed.

(02-16-2021, 03:06 PM)omahen Wrote: By semi star player I consider players of Collins or LaVine level. By all in I mean 2025 and 2027 FRP, Brunson, salary filler and whatever assets needed.

(02-16-2021, 03:04 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I just feel like I've seen enough to make up my mind about him. It's not personal, and I'd be thrilled to be wrong. I just don't see how the story has a happy ending for a team whose worst defender is their center.

(02-16-2021, 03:04 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I just feel like I've seen enough to make up my mind about him.

(02-16-2021, 03:22 PM)chaparral Wrote: Did not read this whole back and forth on KP.  But would like to know if you would trade him for Drummond?  And could we get draft picks in that deal?

(02-16-2021, 03:28 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think you've possibly gone down a path I've taken at times and worked yourself up about him and can't back down (I got that way about Powell at one time until I realized he was just being put in a role that wasn't best suited for his skill level). Now every little thing he does is a mistake, never getting the benefit of the doubt. 

I'm not saying you're wrong either in all honesty, he for real could be what you're saying (well, other than you thinking it can get lots worse as a player sans injury). I'd just prefer patience, and I don't think you have to think that way either for the record. Was just wondering why you've went from team patient to do everything to get rid of this guy before it's too late in the span of about a week.