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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 03:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I, personally, think Collins is the ideal solution, as it allows Kleber to come off of the bench for EITHER Porzingis OR Collins, and then stay on the court, fitting PERFECTLY with either Powell or WCS (whichever Carlisle likes better). But, he's not the only solution out there. I think Gallo would help quite a bit, for example, so there's merit in what @"StepBackJay" has been saying lately.
Collins would be amazing, I just don't know how the Mavs would get him and why Atlanta would want to trade him. Maybe they just hedged their bets bringing in Gallo in case they thought Collins was getting too pricey to keep. At this point if I am Atlanta I am either keeping Gallo with the intention to match any offer or I am asking for some serious assets in return. And why not just keep Collins in the first place? Maybe they were on the fence before but aren't any more.
That's why I go back to the more practical move is not Collins (unless Mavs want to part with KP which I don't believe they do) but Gallo. Trade expiring + Josh Green or something for Gallo. Hawks cash in on good asset management from last offseason (flipping a FA into a good prospect) and Mavs get the player that could put them over the top imo. Gallo is really a fine scorer even at 32. I don't think the things he does are going away anytime soon.
Starting lineup would be the same but then you have Brunson, THJ, Gallo as your key reserves. Gallo would likely take all of Willie's minutes in this 8 man playoff-esque rotation Rick has been rolling out. Mavs offensive rating would get a big boost.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Regarding re-signing Collins, Richardson and THJ...
If you traded for Collins and had his bird rights, and if you didn't have to include THJ or Richardson in that deal, then yes, you'd theoretically have the ability to re-sign them all to longer contracts, I think.
However, without doing some math, and without knowing what THJ/Richardson will be worth on the market (let's assume Collins gets his max), and with the knowledge that Luka will get his max extension that same summer (although as @"omahen" pointed out the other day, it wouldn't take effect next season), I have a feeling the result of paying all three would be going into the tax with no easy way out. I could be wrong about that.
For sure but I think in the end it will come down to Cubans willingness to pay luxury tax any way. I still don´t think that any available free agents is better than the current combination of THJ/Richardson + whatever Johnson and picks can net in a trade. That is the best way to maximize the Mavs current assets.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - BasketballJones41 - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Regarding re-signing Collins, Richardson and THJ...
If you traded for Collins and had his bird rights, and if you didn't have to include THJ or Richardson in that deal, then yes, you'd theoretically have the ability to re-sign them all to longer contracts, I think.
However, without doing some math, and without knowing what THJ/Richardson will be worth on the market (let's assume Collins gets his max), and with the knowledge that Luka will get his max extension that same summer (although as @"omahen" pointed out the other day, it wouldn't take effect next season), I have a feeling the result of paying all three would be going into the tax with no easy way out. I could be wrong about that.
I didn’t even think about the tax. If we end up having to choose between Hardaway and Richardson I pick Hardaway. I’d be perfectly happy to throw Richardson in a deal for Collins or Markkanen. He just hasn’t impressed me so far.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:18 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Starting lineup would be the same but then you have Brunson, THJ, Gallo as your key reserves. Gallo would likely take all of Willie's minutes in this 8 man playoff-esque rotation Rick has been rolling out. Mavs offensive rating would get a big boost.
Well, again, part of the benefit of such a move is that it would allow for playing BOTH Gallo AND either Powell or WCS, making it a 9-man rotation.
The way things are now, the 9th man would have to be Burke, and Brunson is running up the score on that comparison lately.
(02-11-2021, 04:20 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I still don´t think that any available free agents is better than the current combination of THJ/Richardson + whatever Johnson and picks can net in a trade. That is the best way to maximize the Mavs current assets.
What about re-signing THJ or Richardson, along with whatever Johnson + picks + the other one brings you in trade?
Barring a KP trade, I think that's where I am at the moment.
Maybe mix in a smaller deal for Brunson, too?
Or maybe Johnson + Brunson in one trade, THJ or Richardson + picks in another?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:05 PM)SamStetz Wrote: Gonna go with a not so popular option, but what about Kevin Love? If the focus is to find someone to stand in the corners and shoot 3s so KP and operate as the C, he MIGHT be a fit. Johnson and Powell work as a salary match, so all that's left to figure out is the compensation on Dallas's end that they would want for taking on the extra $20mil in salary next year and $28mil the following year.
Ideally, the goal would be to get some value for Love now from Cleveland and then be able to build his value and flip him again in the off-season or before next season's trade deadline for something else. Look at Horford in OKC, he has certainly done a decent job of rebuilding his trade value.
I think any of these overpaid guys should be looked at. If the Mavs can get a very good player (even if overpaid) without giving up any of their top 7 guys then I think you are in business. There are plenty of trade ideas being kicked around that are just unlikely to happen as much as we might like the idea of someone like LaVine being gettable. Other moves could be potentially lateral moves that don't make a big difference bc of the assets we have to give up (like a THJ).
The move to make would be to get that 8th guy for expiring and maybe one of our young assets. Love qualifies altho he's injured at the moment. Drummond does as well but you'd have to talk Cleveland into Powell. Horford is a maybe, they would definitely have to take Powell in that swap. He would be your 8th guy and the big thing he would bring is defense and rebounding so I would consider it.
Other names: Eric Gordon, Bertans, Reddick, Rubio. Gallo is far and away my favorite pick because he is both the most viable name and gives you that scoring from the 4 spot.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, again, part of the benefit of such a move is that it would allow for playing BOTH Gallo AND either Powell or WCS, making it a 9-man rotation.
The way things are now, the 9th man would have to be Burke, and Brunson is running up the score on that comparison lately.
Ya for sure. Altho in the playoffs it would probably be those 8 plus 5 minutes or so from two of Powell, WCS, Burke. The other thing that Gallo does if give you KP insurance. He doesn't do things defensively that KP does but he still fits the team great if KP is sidelined for any reason.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:05 PM)SamStetz Wrote: Gonna go with a not so popular option, but what about Kevin Love? If the focus is to find someone to stand in the corners and shoot 3s so KP and operate as the C, he MIGHT be a fit. Johnson and Powell work as a salary match, so all that's left to figure out is the compensation on Dallas's end that they would want for taking on the extra $20mil in salary next year and $28mil the following year.
It's not as crazy as I would've claimed a couple of months ago, IF you think he can play soon, and IF you get some sort of worthwhile sweetener for going into the tax for taking him. It's two years of absolute financial hell you're agreeing to endure by trading for him and signing both THJ and Richardson, after all. That last year, when Luka's extension kicks in, would be ROUGH.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's not as crazy as I would've claimed a couple of months ago, IF you think he can play soon, and IF you get some sort of worthwhile sweetener for going into the tax for taking him. It's two years of absolute financial hell you're agreeing to endure by trading for him and signing both THJ and Richardson, after all. That last year, when Luka's extension kicks in, would be ROUGH.
They have to take Powell back so net that is like 19 mil. It certainly matters what Rich and THJ get paid. I think Mavs wouldn't not do much with the MLE if they had Love, Rich and THJ on the books to try to stay out of luxury tax.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Jason Terry - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:07 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: Just a quick question for those of you that understand the cap. If we were to swing a trade for Collins or Markkanen at the deadline would we be able to re-sign them along with Hardaway and Richardson this summer?Yes, which is why we need to make any moves now(trade deadline) to obtain their bird rights(rights to sign players) so we can remain over the cap and keep everyone. Plus get to keep our mid level exception so we can add a ~9.5 million dollar player on top of all that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 03:56 PM)RDB Wrote: If it’s a foregone conclusion, why not just sign him.
Because it is not necessary, they will have to pay max. So why pay max upfront? Perhaps there will be no max offer on the table for him and they will negotiate for less. Worst case, they just match the max offer he gets. Plus, because they didn't extend him at max, they have one more season to determine how much he is worth. It would be impossible to trade him, if he would sign his extension. This way they have all the options open. What I am certain - option that they just let him walk for nothing (not match whatever offer he gets) is not on a table for them.
(02-11-2021, 03:56 PM)RDB Wrote: That is an assumption.
That was actually discussed by many insider beat writers, it is not just my opinion.
(02-11-2021, 03:56 PM)RDB Wrote: why run the risk of alienating him or having something crazy happen like...I don’t know just spitballing...maybe him having some kind of issue with Trae
So how would giving him a max manage this risk in your opinion? Don't you think, the risk wiould actually be higher... Because if he alienates with Trae you have a max contract you need to get rid of on your hands.. Well, actually you would not be able to get rid of him this season, because of the extension.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-11-2021
Would you guys do a trade like this?
Dallas
Wendell Carter
Laure Markanen
Otto Porter
Pick compensation
Chicago
Kristaps Porzingis
James Johnson
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 03:51 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: So, all three of those are Chicago players, which is interesting to me, mostly because it seems really difficult to gauge just who from that roster is actually available.
I think all of them are, but none of them will be sold at discount
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 02-11-2021
OPJ is hurt again. Possibly chronic/recurring back problems.
[b]Bulls[/b] forward [b]Otto Porter Jr.[/b] hasn’t played since February 1 because of a lower back issue and it doesn’t sound like he’ll return for a while, writes Joe Cowley of The Chicago Sun-Times. Coach [b]Billy Donovan[/b] said Porter has made only “incremental gains” in his rehab process and no timetable is in place for him to play again.
[i]‘‘(Porter’s) still dealing with discomfort,’’ [/i]Donovan said.[i] ‘‘It’s been very, very limited for him. Obviously, part of the rehab and recovery is to work on some strengthening and some mobility in his lower back, but he’s still dealing with some symptoms in his lower back. He’s made some incremental gains, but I wouldn’t say he’s really made some significant gains. Some of his rehab has been maybe limited to how he’s feeling a little bit, so there’s certain things he can do physically and other things he can’t do.’’[/i]
The Bulls are concerned that Porter’s back problems might be a recurring issue, according to Cowley. Porter is in the final year of his contract, so he’ll want to be careful not to damage his back any further heading into free agency.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - RDB - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:18 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: That's why I go back to the more practical move is not Collins (unless Mavs want to part with KP which I don't believe they do) but Gallo. Trade expiring + Josh Green or something for Gallo. Hawks cash in on good asset management from last offseason (flipping a FA into a good prospect) and Mavs get the player that could put them over the top imo. Gallo is really a fine scorer even at 32. I don't think the things he does are going away anytime soon.
I don’t know about Gallo. I know he has only played 10 games this season but he has been pretty bad. I thought he was one of the reasons we won the other night.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - BasketballJones41 - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:50 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Would you guys do a trade like this?Just show me where to sign!
Dallas
Wendell Carter
Laure Markanen
Otto Porter
Pick compensation
Chicago
Kristaps Porzingis
James Johnson
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Jason Terry - 02-11-2021
Bertans was mentioned. Interesting. I don’t watch the wizards so no clue how he would fit
Richaun Holmes? I know he’s a guy we looked at before but he seems like too much of a 5
Aminu- the band is getting back together
Harrison “bird box” barnes is a good fit to me and should be considered
Zach Colins, Jarrett Allen(unlikely)
Tucker and Thad Young are the ideal fits IMO
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Regarding re-signing Collins, Richardson and THJ...I fully agree with that, but that wasn't the question.
If you traded for Collins and had his bird rights, and if you didn't have to include THJ or Richardson in that deal, then yes, you'd theoretically have the ability to re-sign them all to longer contracts, I think.
However, without doing some math, and without knowing what THJ/Richardson will be worth on the market (let's assume Collins gets his max), and with the knowledge that Luka will get his max extension that same summer (although as @"omahen" pointed out the other day, it wouldn't take effect next season), I have a feeling the result of paying all three would be going into the tax with no easy way out. I could be wrong about that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:56 PM)RDB Wrote: I don’t know about Gallo. I know he has only played 10 games this season but he has been pretty bad. I thought he was one of the reasons we won the other night.
That's the only reason you have a shot to get him. Last year he was a near all-star on a good team. This year he is in a different role and ATL doesn't really know how to use him effectively. Dallas would. Gotta buy low. He would give some scoring punch from the PF spot and I believe you can get him without giving up a top 7 rotation player which is key.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 04:56 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: Just show me where to sign!
Mavs aren't going to trade KP this year
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - BasketballJones41 - 02-11-2021
(02-11-2021, 05:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs aren't going to trade KP this year
Probably not. I’m just saying I would do that trade. But I’m not in a hurry to get rid of KP or anything.