(02-11-2021, 01:59 AM)omahen Wrote: Atlanta has 100 mil committed to 11 players in 2021. Add Collins at 27 and they are still comfortably under the tax. Gallo last year is not guaranteed. So he comes off the books in 2022 when Young max extension kicks in. Since Rondo and Dunn are off the books than too, Atlanta is still comfortably under the tax. 

I will just repeat. Collins will certainly get a max offer (unless everyone is sure Atlanta will match anything, so no one will even bother). If Atlanta is not willing to pay the max, they are trading him this TDL. I bet Atlanta takes the gamble, hopes they can resign him for less, but if not, they will pay him max. They can always trade him.

(02-11-2021, 01:59 AM)omahen Wrote: Atlanta has 100 mil committed to 11 players in 2021. Add Collins at 27 and they are still comfortably under the tax. Gallo last year is not guaranteed. So he comes off the books in 2022 when Young max extension kicks in. Since Rondo and Dunn are off the books than too, Atlanta is still comfortably under the tax. 

I will just repeat. Collins will certainly get a max offer (unless everyone is sure Atlanta will match anything, so no one will even bother). If Atlanta is not willing to pay the max, they are trading him this TDL. I bet Atlanta takes the gamble, hopes they can resign him for less, but if not, they will pay him max. They can always trade him.

(02-11-2021, 08:18 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: Right.  Regardless of their current Atlanta roster construction or where else they've allocated money or draft picks, the bottomline is that Collins is a premium asset and you don't let a premium asset slip through your fingers unless getting an equivalent (or better) premium asset in return.   Same thing with Lavine.  

(02-11-2021, 01:59 AM)omahen Wrote: Atlanta has 100 mil committed to 11 players in 2021. Add Collins at 27 and they are still comfortably under the tax. Gallo last year is not guaranteed. So he comes off the books in 2022 when Young max extension kicks in. Since Rondo and Dunn are off the books than too, Atlanta is still comfortably under the tax. 

I will just repeat. Collins will certainly get a max offer (unless everyone is sure Atlanta will match anything, so no one will even bother). If Atlanta is not willing to pay the max, they are trading him this TDL. I bet Atlanta takes the gamble, hopes they can resign him for less, but if not, they will pay him max. They can always trade him.

(02-11-2021, 11:18 AM)RDB Wrote: My bad...I was doing it off of memory and I said 9 when it was 11.

Also, no need to repeat, I’m not arguing with you.  I will copy your post to the Atlanta boards...they will be relieved 

He is obviously my pet cat and I probably spend as much time on their board as here.  I realize boards are not insiders but they are much closer to the team than I.  I believe their big decision is where to allocate their dollars and is Collins a max player.  We probably value him more than their boards do because the sample we see (Collins v. Dallas) is the best Collins.  I will also add that a large % of their posters do not think he is a max player.

And your right, they can always sign him to the max and trade him later but there is risk in that...how many potential trade partners view him as a max, have the need, and what are they willing to part with.  I believe both Collins and Atl. placed a bet.  Collins - I will prove my value...Atl. - you aren’t worth it and if you want to take the risk, fine, we will sign you to a lower value next year.  My prediction is if he makes it past the TDL (which I think he will), they will gamble that they can get him on a contract they like and if not, sign and trade.   I don’t think they will sign him to the max if they don’t intend to keep him.

If I were Donnie and he makes it past the TDL, I would have his agent on speed dial.  As soon as FA begins, I try to get him locked down to an offer and either make Atl. match or do a S&T with us.  Risky...sure.  Likely to work...won’t know until you try.  If you are going to take a shot, this is the off-season to try.

(02-11-2021, 12:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's certainly a long shot to acquire Collins via restricted free agency. No argument there. 

Having said that, he IS a perfect fit, he COULD be available soon (in one way or another) and the same, definitive "they're not letting him get away" stuff is being said about Collins that I had to read non-stop last offseason about Bogdanovic. Now, obviously, Boganovic isn't nearly the player Collins is, but still - he was an asset. I'm keeping a hope for Collins in a Mavs uniform until it's not possible any longer. 

He's not the ONLY guy I'm hoping for, but he's one of the best options, likely or not.

(02-11-2021, 12:37 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Any trade scenario involving KP is akin to the Mavs trying to trade Nash in 2002. It isn't happening.

(02-11-2021, 12:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: but the real reason is that only a few teams are even in a position to want KP,

(02-11-2021, 12:09 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Having said that, he IS a perfect fit, he COULD be available soon (in one way or another) and the same, definitive "they're not letting him get away" stuff is being said about Collins that I had to read non-stop last offseason about Bogdanovic. Now, obviously, Boganovic isn't nearly the player Collins is, but still - he was an asset. I'm keeping a hope for Collins in a Mavs uniform until it's not possible any longer. 

(02-11-2021, 12:47 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: A trade for Collins would be something like Green, Brunson and 2025 plus 2027 FRP’s(after removing protections with NYK)

(02-11-2021, 01:01 PM)omahen Wrote: You are wrong about Bogdanovic.

(02-11-2021, 01:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Am I? What I said was that Bogdanovic changed teams via restricted free agency. Did he not?

(02-11-2021, 12:47 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: A trade for Collins would be something like Green, Brunson and 2025 plus 2027 FRP’s(after removing protections with NYK)

Are we really ready to mortgage the entire future on KP and a guy that just got popped for PED usage? 

Trying to get him in RFA would be insane IMO. Boom, Hardaway and Richardson are gone for nothing and that’s BEFORE we even know if it’s possible. ATL matches and we are screwed for years

Our only chance was if he had a terrible season up to this point and we swoop in and take a chance on him at a discount. It makes no sense why ATL would not keep him when a dozen teams would gladly take Gallinari into cap space this summer

We already made our bed with KP and we will need to lay in it. Collins is reaching way too high. A lesser version(backup quality/expiring/buyout) is about the most we should hope for

(02-11-2021, 01:23 PM)omahen Wrote: Ok, you are correct about that. But the situations are no where near comparable. And Sacramento would have actually traded him, if it wasn't for "once in a lifetime" stupid blunder.

1. They failed to reach an agreement on an extension.
   
2. They signed a high-profile, high-dollar FA who plays his position.
   
3. They drafted a guy with a high pick who plays his position (I read this the same way I read the Mavs zeroing in on Green - they're hoping he will make it easier to move either THJ or Richardson). 
   

(02-11-2021, 01:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh, I understand, trust me. I know that this is an unlikely scenario that you can't "plan" for, if you're a smart team. But, for my point (that unexpected things happen with RFA's from time to time) to be valid, I don't really require the situations to be comparable. 

And, none of this changes what rings true to me regarding Atlanta and Collins.

1. They failed to reach an agreement on an extension.
   
2. They signed a high-profile, high-dollar FA who plays his position.
   
3. They drafted a guy with a high pick who plays his position (I read this the same way I read the Mavs zeroing in on Green - they're hoping he will make it easier to move either THJ or Richardson). 
   

Now, NONE of that means Collins won't be a Hawk, and it seems like he and the team are happier with the relationship now than they were a year ago. But, it did all happen. Collins is more gettable than Giannis, Tatum or a scad of other 4's who would help this team. He's not as getable as some others, probably. That's true. 

You can bully me or others all you want, but I'm watching the situation until he has signed his name on a new Atlanta contract, personally. I won't be shocked or disappointed if/when he does - I'm simply interested in the outcome, and hopefully that somehow, someway, the Mavs can find a way to weasel in on the situation. There are many other situations we talk about daily that are just as unlikely. We're fans. I do NOT think this one is so unlikely as to be deemed not discussion-worthy. You are free to disagree, of course.