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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:00 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: LOL @ the people talking about trading Brunson, no fucking way
He's the value we have to trade. I would do KP and Brunson for Lowry and Siakim.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:16 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: He's the value we have to trade.
Exactly. Unless Mavs commit to play him next to Doncic, he will be always underused behind Luka, JRich and THJ. Of course - there is always an option to trade one of those two and keep Brunson.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 09:36 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: KP must go at some point
Drummond for:
Johnson, WCS, Green, Terry 2 2nds
We go nowhere without paint defense and rebounding. This is sad
I fully support trading KP and I fully support trading for Drummond
If you look at the physical frontcourt players in the West we will be one and done in the playoffs.
KP is going to give us fools gold production but I am not confident he can be counted on as a 2nd star on a playoff team.
The MBT will never agree with me but that's fine.
(02-10-2021, 10:18 PM)omahen Wrote: Exactly. Unless Mavs commit to play him next to Doncic, he will be always underused behind Luka, JRich and THJ. Of course - there is always an option to trade one of those two and keep Brunson.
50/40/90 is rare company in the NBA. You lose that efficiency you are not likely to get it back and it will be another Seth Curry situation.
I am okay with getting Lowery on this team but I am not letting Brunson go unless its for a top 15 level superstar.
None of those guys ring the bell for me
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Branduil - 02-10-2021
Drummond is not gonna solve our pick-and-roll defense guys.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 08:03 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think bubble KP is as good as Luka in all honesty. A 2 way player that can anchor the defense
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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:
Yeah, IGT, KL's narrative has been that KP is a fatal defensive liability since the Blazers games in the bubble.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:26 PM)Branduil Wrote: Drummond is not gonna solve our pick-and-roll defense guys.
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKqY0Wywy1Vp8vS/giphy.gif)
(02-10-2021, 10:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Yeah, IGT, KL's narrative has been that KP is a fatal defensive liability since the Blazers games in the bubble.
That’s one way to say it. Here’s another:
(02-10-2021, 10:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: KP is a fatal defensive liability
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:18 PM)omahen Wrote: Exactly. Unless Mavs commit to play him next to Doncic, he will be always underused behind Luka, JRich and THJ. Of course - there is always an option to trade one of those two and keep Brunson.
In OS's defense, I thought Brunson looked fantastic next to Luka tonight. JB has commented that they are becoming good friends off the court. All good developments. Maybe Brunson should stay. I just like the idea of getting Lowry because of the vet leadership. Lowry is also far superior to Brunson on D.
KL, in any event, I don't trade KP without getting a top 40 young star in return. No reset. We don't have our pick this year. We can't do '97 Nellie with Luka on the roster.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Branduil - 02-10-2021
IMO you shouldn't pay any big more than $10 million a year if they can't defend the pick-and-roll to an adequate level so KP definitely needs to be able to do that.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:35 PM)Branduil Wrote: IMO you shouldn't pay any big more than $10 million a year if they can't defend the pick-and-roll to an adequate level so KP definitely needs to be able to do that.
KEEP TELLING THEM. THEY’VE TUNED ME OUT. TAG!
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:32 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I thought Brunson looked fantastic next to Luka tonight.
Sure he did. But as I said - IF they don't commit. So far they haven't., he is just the fourth guard
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
@"omahen" has this right. If you’re ready to commit to a path that inches Brunson toward a sixth man role where he plays 28 minutes off the bench, then fine. If not, you have to get what you can for him. Assets are in short supply.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:38 PM)omahen Wrote: Sure he did. But as I said - IF they don't commit. So far they haven't., he is just the fourth guard
He doesn't need to be the starter to play next to Luka at the end of the game.
Hella kudos to RC for trusting THJ and JB to play good-enough defense with their hot hands.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Branduil - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: KEEP TELLING THEM. THEY’VE TUNED ME OUT. TAG!I'm not even saying he can't do it, just that he needs to. His overall defense has been much worse this year, not sure if that's because of injury tentativeness or what.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:39 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Brunson toward a sixth man role where he plays 28 minutes off the bench, then fine. If not, you have to get what you can for him. Assets are in short supply.
I agree with this logic. I think ONE of JB, THJ, or JR has to be used to upgrade the roster somehow (and maybe even in conjunction with a KP trade).
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:40 PM)Branduil Wrote: I'm not even saying he can't do it, just that he needs to. His overall defense has been much worse this year, not sure if that's because of injury tentativeness or what.
KL believes that's who KP is as a player.
I understand the issues with pick and roll defense, but KP was seen as the defensive anchor for all of last year - until those Blazers games. I tend to be with you to some extent - he still isn't back, whether physically or mentally.
(02-10-2021, 10:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I agree with this logic. I think ONE of JB, THJ, or JR has to be used to upgrade the roster somehow (and maybe even in conjunction with a KP trade).
That's a tough choice. I think we'll have to use cap space if we want to keep Brunson, so that could limit our options. In any event, I'll double down - if we trade KP with any of those three, we have to get two top-five minutes guys back - preferably, a young star and a vet.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Branduil - 02-10-2021
Here's an off-season trade idea... can't be done until summer because of Adam's extension:
https://tradenba.com/trades/gtTY5BBuu
Mavs get LaVine and WCJ... worth it for KP and Brunson?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I tend to be with you to some extent - he still isn't back, whether physically or mentally.
What worries me- Last season start he was rusty on offense, but mostly very good on defense. This season, he is mostly crap on both sides.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 10:50 PM)Branduil Wrote: Here's an off-season trade idea... can't be done until summer because of Adam's extension:
https://tradenba.com/trades/gtTY5BBuu
Mavs get LaVine and WCJ... worth it for KP and Brunson?
After watching THJ's defensive improvement this year, I don't want Lavine unless he can *learn* to play defense. If he can't, I want no part of him. All two-way players, please.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-10-2021
If I have my choice to pick out of JB, THJ, or JR I trade Josh Richardson no hesitation. Its easier to find a guy that can match Richardson's skillset than it is to find someone to match JB's efficiency and THJ's attitude and effort.
The 3 pieces the mavs should look at moving for upgrading
James Johnson
KP
Josh Richardson
That is about 57 million ins salary we can move