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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 02-09-2021
prolly heading to Philly IMO
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-09-2021
Why do we always to give up core pieces to get something in return. The Mavericks need to figure out to parlay James Johnson into a useable piece and keep it moving and keep building on what they have.
I like Utah's philosophy in how they kept their core group and supporting cast and just kept adding to it.
The Mavericks need to do the same and we have enough assets to et a good piece
The piece that I would dangle in a trade is James Johnson
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - jesusshuttlesworth82 - 02-09-2021
(02-09-2021, 10:33 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: Why do we always to give up core pieces to get something in return.
because we suck at free agency
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 02-10-2021
(02-09-2021, 10:59 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: because we suck at free agency
I consider Burnson a core untouchable piece
The tradebait on this team needs to be
Cauley-Stein
James Johnson
I would throw in Powell but for now I just say those two and they can yield 22 to 26 million in salary matching.
The Mavs can add a future pick and get a decent haul in return.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-10-2021
(02-09-2021, 10:25 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/.amp/news/toronto-raptors-kyle-lowry-house-for-sale?__twitter_impression=true&utm_source=reddit.com
The plot thickens.
(02-09-2021, 03:41 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: If Brunson puts up 50/40/90 for the whole year, he might get a big deal but no one thinks that's going to happen. If he goes back down to his career numbers, he's a Maxi or Powell level contract IMO.
He doesnt have the perceived upside of guys like Fultz that get bigger money.
I don't know if I agree with ya about Brunson not having an arbitrary perceived upside like Fultz.
With or without a 50/40/90 season, Brunson has established himself as one of the more solid guards in the league. He reminds me a lot of Derrick White in SAS value wise and he got 4 years 70 mil.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
Just want to go on record one more time that I would ship KP’s ass out of here at the first opportunity, whether he is playing “well” at the time or not. I will root for him in the meantime, and sincerely hope he can become an amazing player here, but I have seen enough to know that his weaknesses will make building a contender around him more difficult than what is merited based on his strengths.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-10-2021
(02-09-2021, 10:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Siakim is another player I’d be all over if they decide to sell him.
Masai has always been willing to trade anyone on his roster for the right price. I can totally see him moving on from Siakam, but it'd be for a bonafide star.
Outside of Tingus Pingus, the Mavs can't offer that. And I think Pascal is at best a lateral move from KP, so it doesn't make much sense from the Mavs perspective either.
If Masai is okay with a package of Brunson/DFS/Johnson/Green/Multiple picks for Pascal, he'd be the ideal 3rd star for the Mavs but I can't see it happening.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Kammrath - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 12:17 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I would ship KP’s ass out of here at the first opportunity
Can you give me a type, level, and example of player you would be aiming for as the return?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 12:18 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Can you give me a type, level, and example of player you would be aiming for as the return?
Would be based on who’s available, but any of the names we talk about here daily would do.
The main goals would be
1) to get he team off of this unrealistic and stressful timetable by removing his max contract (if you can’t get a high value player in return) and/or
2) to avoid the long and heartbreaking road of trying to build a championship defense around a big who can’t move. When playing well, he is quite a value on offense. He creates a ton of space. But, he’s just not a guy who can create and carry you for stretches, imo. If I saw any indication that he was on his way to becoming something anything like Dirk, I might be more inclined to try to cover up for his lateral movement for the next seven years with other roster acquisitions. As Mavs fans, we know all too well how difficult that is and frankly, he’s not good enough to convince me re-upping for that ride is worthwhile.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 12:17 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Just want to go on record one more time that I would ship KP’s ass out of here at the first opportunity, whether he is playing “well” at the time or not
Downvote.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 02-10-2021
https://tradenba.com/trades/Xp38AvXCk
Here is a doozie of a trade I just put together in 2 minutes. A 4 team 13 player trade.
Mavs get: Rubio/Green/Siakam/Layman
Toronto gets: Harris/THJ/DFS/Brunson/Green
Wolves get: Powell/Terry
Philly gets: Lowry/Johnson
Mavs also send out whatever picks necessary. Mavs get their 3rd star, playmaker, and THJ replacement all in one swoop.
Don't know why TOR does this unless they really like Brunson/Harris. Wolves basically swap Rubio's contract with Powell and get Terry as payment, plus they need a center. Philly does a major roster shift which doesn't make a lot of sense.
But whatever this is a hype-y trade I live for.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 12:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Would be based on who’s available, but any of the names we talk about here daily would do.
The main goals would be
1) to get he team off of this unrealistic and stressful timetable by removing his max contract (if you can’t get a high value player in return) and/or
2) to avoid the long and heartbreaking road of trying to build a championship defense around a big who can’t move. When playing well, he is quite a value on offense. He creates a ton of space. But, he’s just not a guy who can create and carry you for stretches, imo. If I saw any indication that he was on his way to becoming something anything like Dirk, I might be more inclined to try to cover up for his lateral movement for the next seven years with other roster acquisitions. As Mavs fans, we know all too well how difficult that is and frankly, he’s not good enough to convince me re-upping for that ride is worthwhile.
You're making some level of sense here, but on the level of the future of the team etc., I think that he's quite the conundrum in terms of trade value. Do you really want to do a trade equivalent to what we did with the Knicks - a draft pick or two, a questionable young player, and expiring contracts? That's tanking a season we don't want to tank. I would say that you need a (probably lower-level) star in return. I'm looking at guys like Siakim and Collins. KP would have to play consistently like he did Monday night for us to get that kind of return. I would consider a KP/Brunson/trade filler for Siakim/Lowry deal, but Toronto probably doesn't do that without a future unprotected first.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - Branduil - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 12:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Would be based on who’s available, but any of the names we talk about here daily would do.Something like this?
The main goals would be
1) to get he team off of this unrealistic and stressful timetable by removing his max contract (if you can’t get a high value player in return) and/or
2) to avoid the long and heartbreaking road of trying to build a championship defense around a big who can’t move. When playing well, he is quite a value on offense. He creates a ton of space. But, he’s just not a guy who can create and carry you for stretches, imo. If I saw any indication that he was on his way to becoming something anything like Dirk, I might be more inclined to try to cover up for his lateral movement for the next seven years with other roster acquisitions. As Mavs fans, we know all too well how difficult that is and frankly, he’s not good enough to convince me re-upping for that ride is worthwhile.
https://tradenba.com/trades/MGhfUkYNw
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 02-10-2021
(02-09-2021, 10:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: John Collins is so the perfect fit here
I can see the Mavs prying him away with a Max offer next summer if ATL doesn’t want to match, but that seems like a big risk, planning wise. Now, if we get there without coming across a more stable opportunity first, he’d absolutely be my big free agency swing.
I too like Collins and see him as the best summer FA here. Heck, he may be the best here period if you exempt unrealistic all-star types.
One thing that might help us is Atlanta is past the stage of needing draft compensation. They want players, so the OKC's of the world can't just overwhelm them with picks and get this done. The next question is timing. I think it would clearly be in the Mav's best interest to do this in-season. Even a 0-6 level FA is going to be costly to the roster.
What timing is best for Atlanta? Well, they can certainly get value in the summer (like Sacramento almost did with Bogdanovic). The salary matching is easier and with so many teams with cap room, BYC won't be an issue. But, salary matching isn't terrible now with the ability to throw expiring Snell into the equation.
Schwartz might be a help here. Or, Collins may view himself as not needing or wanting to play next to a scoring big. I think that is the calculus C. Wood did. His star shines much brighter without competing with KP for touches. People have criticized the Mav's for not going after C. Wood. I think C. Wood didn't want to come here. We gave his old team a package that would have easily been enough to land him. Everything was in place seemingly except a desire to be here on C. Woods' part. Not sure how Collins sees himself.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - RDB - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 07:59 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I too like Collins and see him as the best summer FA here. Heck, he may be the best here period if you exempt unrealistic all-star types.I agree with Collins being the best summer FA and love that we are at least discussing possibilities. I know KL has tried to keep his name on the front burner as well.
One thing that might help us is Atlanta is past the stage of needing draft compensation.
What timing is best for Atlanta? Well, they can certainly get value in the summer (like Sacramento almost did with Bogdanovic).
Everything was in place seemingly except a desire to be here on C. Woods' part. Not sure how Collins sees himself.
As far as where Collins head is, I think it depends on who is willing to step up with the max. He has already shown his confidence by betting on himself and declining a reported $90 mil. contract and he has done nothing but increase his value. By the way, he bet on himself after a PED suspension. I don’t know how many teams will pay the max but my gut is the max is necessary to get in the discussion.
I think the pressure is on Atl., not Collins as they either pay him or he is gone (he will get a max offer). IF Atl. is not going to be able to re-sign, they can dream of the compensation they might get in the off-season but it may be hard to predict if they don’t know who will meet his contract desires. I think the question is how many teams can or are willing to sign him to the max.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 11:05 AM)RDB Wrote: I think the pressure is on Atl., not Collins as they either pay him or he is gone (he will get a max offer). IF Atl. is not going to be able to re-sign, they can dream of the compensation they might get in the off-season but it may be hard to predict if they don’t know who will meet his contract desires. I think the question is how many teams can or are willing to sign him to the max.
I don't think there is any pressure on Atlanta. They have all control of the situation.
If they are not prepared to pay him max, they will trade him at TDL. If not, it means they are perfectly willing to pay the max and will match any offer. You could still negotiate a trade but the price would not be lower than at TDL. They will of course try to negotiate for lower than max contract.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 11:16 AM)omahen Wrote: If not, it means they are perfectly willing to pay the max and will match any offer.
It's tempting to assume this, but I don't think you can. Teams DO try to play the odds when predicting what offers players will get from time to time. Sometimes, their opinions on players change between the deadline and free agency, even. RFA's do change teams. It happened this past off-season with Bogdanovic.
I'm not saying it's likely, and even called it "risky" in my post above, but it's not impossible. It's no less likely than it was to imagine Giannis signing here back before he re-upped in Milwaukee, imo.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - RDB - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 11:16 AM)omahen Wrote: I don't think there is any pressure on Atlanta. They have all control of the situation.
If they are not prepared to pay him max, they will trade him at TDL. If not, it means they are perfectly willing to pay the max and will match any offer. You could still negotiate a trade but the price would not be lower than at TDL. They will of course try to negotiate for lower than max contract.
I agree that they have control and I stated something similar to your second paragraph in a previous post. However control and pressure are 2 different things.
To me, the pressure comes from the TDL decision and when to make the call to maximize your return (if selling). I personally don’t see them keeping Collins at the max without moving someone else out (which they might do) UNLESS they are willing to go into luxury, which their writers and boards don’t seem to think they are.
The question for them is how much of their cap do they want to allocate toward bigs. They have $100 mil. committed next year, Trae and Hunter on the horizon (Hunter has option year), and $38ish mil already committed to 2 bigs. Are they willing to commit another $27-30 to the big pie with another max on the way (maybe 2). Their boards and some of their writers think they have their big 3 with Trae, Capela, & Hunter.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - HanspardShowerVoice - 02-10-2021
The Hawks are currently sitting 7th in the Eastern Standings and their GM and HC are getting fired if they don't make the playoffs. They're not selling off good players this year. Their most likely move is that theyre going to largely stand pat, make the playoffs, see if they can get Collins to sign below then max and if not then work out a SnT in the offseason. That's assuming the current GM is even in place.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 02-10-2021
(02-10-2021, 12:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm not saying it's likely, and even called it "risky" in my post above, but it's not impossible. It's no less likely than it was to imagine Giannis signing here back before he re-upped in Milwaukee, imo.
The buy in cost for the Mavs to take the gamble with Atlanta is JRich and THJ. No thank you...
(02-10-2021, 01:10 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: They're not selling off good players this year.
They might, if they get good players in return. Their C and PF positions are somewhat crowded.