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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 01-26-2021
Thought experiment...
Let's assume when everyone is healthy that your top 9 rotation players in the playoffs looks like:
Ball Handlers: Luka/Brunson
Wings: THJ/JRich/DFS
Bigs: KP/Maxi/Powell/WCS (you have to keep four given KP's injury history)
That's it. No changing the top nine. There is a Top 70-80 player available at each position to be had by trade. You can replace one of our top 9 with that guy. Don't worry about the money. Don't worry about the trade specifics. There is someone available who can be our third best player (but not a star) and the other team will take our guy and something outside our top nine as compensation.
What one player is the one most in need of replacing with said Top 70-80 player?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - ClutchDirk - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Thought experiment...I'd dump THJ for a playmaker...WCS for a better frontcourt player...
Let's assume when everyone is healthy that your top 9 rotation players in the playoffs looks like:
Ball Handlers: Luka/Brunson
Wings: THJ/JRich/DFS
Bigs: KP/Maxi/Powell/WCS (you have to keep four given KP's injury history)
That's it. No changing the top nine. There is a Top 70-80 player available at each position to be had by trade. You can replace one of our top 9 with that guy. Don't worry about the money. Don't worry about the trade specifics. There is someone available who can be our third best player (but not a star) and the other team will take our guy and something outside our top nine as compensation.
What one player is the one most in need of replacing with said Top 70-80 player?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: What one player is the one most in need of replacing with said Top 70-80 player?
Secondary facilitator who can also play wing. Starter. I don't think Brunson is that quality and neither of the wings is a facilitator. But, since Luka is so interchangeable, you could easily put Brunson in the wing category - so that it doesn't mean that I want exactly him replaced.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 01-26-2021
To further elaborate on my statement. I firmly believe most of PF minutes should be taken by Kleber and Doncic. With a positional deep bench vets for the likes of Lakers or New Orleans that actually play a PF. That's why I see no problem having 4 or 5 wings in the rotation, all of them getting good minutes. Mavs need shooting above anything else.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - RDB - 01-26-2021
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RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: What one player is the one most in need of replacing with said Top 70-80 player?
Easily Powell or WCS. Looking at talent and on court production both simply aren´t on the same level as the other mentioned guys. Replace one of them with a big forward (Gordon, RoCo) or another PF/C hybrid (Harrell, Favors) that can play next to KP or start at center when he is out and the Mavs are a different team.
THJ, DFS and Richardsons are already in the top 80-120 range (Athletics, Bleacher report, ESPN rankings). A top 70-80 player wouldn´t be a real upgrade.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: Ball Handlers: Luka/Brunson
Wings: THJ/JRich/DFS
Bigs: KP/Maxi/Powell/WCS (you have to keep four given KP's injury history)
That's it. No changing the top nine. There is a Top 70-80 player available at each position to be had by trade. You can replace one of our top 9 with that guy. Don't worry about the money. Don't worry about the trade specifics. There is someone available who can be our third best player (but not a star) and the other team will take our guy and something outside our top nine as compensation.
What one player is the one most in need of replacing with said Top 70-80 player?
If I understand your exercise, you're asking which Mav we think needs to go, not necessarily who we think should be brought in...
If that's correct, then the answer has to be either Powell or WCS, imo. To me, what that top 9 is missing is a guy about Powell's size who can dribble, shoot, create, defend and rebound. A starting 4. I would also be willing to move Kleber for this player if the player is good enough, frankly.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 12:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: To me, what that top 9 is missing is a guy about Powell's size who can dribble, shoot, create, defend and rebound.
Modest wish
LeBron or Davis, which one? Can't remember many more guys capable to provide what you described
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 12:30 PM)omahen Wrote: Modest wish
Dude, there are LOADS of 6'9", 6'10" guys like that. I'm not sure if you're talking about Anthony Davis, but he's a different type (would love to have him, lol, but not what I'm talking about).
They don't need to be good at ALL the skills I mentioned, just as many of them as possible.
Collins, Siakim, Grant, Gordon, Griffin, Harris...guys like that. There are a lot more. I think the mavs need to find the youngest, highest upside one of that type they can.
I agree with your mention of another/better guard creator, too. I was on "secondary playmaker" all off-season. I just think it should be the SECOND priority at this point, at least until Richardson has a chance to gel here. Because I don't think Richardson can play as a THIRD ball-handling perimeter player. He's either second, or he hurts the offense, imo, because he just seems like he's more comfortable with the ball in his hands than playing off (small sample). So, if he's not good enough to be second, he's gotta go, imo. I want to see how he looks until the trade deadline before deciding. Just my opinion.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - cow - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 12:30 PM)omahen Wrote: Modest wish
Don't forget our very own James Johnson.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 01:07 PM)cow Wrote: Don't forget our very own James Johnson.
I actually haven't given up on Johnson yet.
I know his skills haven't meshed well here to this point. They haven't contributed positively to winning during his time on the court at all. My intention is not to argue with those who are down on him. But, I think the book is still open on whether this is due to his poor play or just a matter of the Mavs not being able to integrate his skills (unique to this team, going back several years) into their flow.
I think his playmaking COULD help quite a bit, but it's not being blended in properly. This might be his fault or theirs - not sure yet. Maybe a combination of both. Either way, he's got to let the shots fly when he's open (and hopefully make them at an adequate rate) and not over dribble.
I think his 1-on-1 defense is superior to every other big on the roster, and it's not close. Again, this hasn't always translated into a team-wide positive, mostly because of his proneness to really stupid fouls, imo. Once again, I'm not sure yet whether this is just the downside of who he is as a player, or the result of he and the team figuring things out.
I fully agree with those who think he has been underwhelming and understand why they want him buried deep on the bench. But, I also think he has shown the ability to do things nobody else on the roster can do. They are good things. I'm honestly not sure whether he should be in the top 9 or not.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 01-26-2021
Johnson+Powell+whatever assets (FRP or several seconds or perhaps even Brunson) for OPJ actually makes a lot of sense for us. Porter can easily play PF, plays good defense and can shoot it. Mavs get additional flexibility for FA.
LaVine has likely played himself out of our range. Oladipo might be gettable.
Actually, we should throw in Brunson if Chicago gives us Gafford.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 01:23 PM)omahen Wrote: OPJ actually makes a lot of sense for us. Porter can easily play PF, plays good defense and can shoot it. Mavs get additional flexibility for FA.
If OPJ works as a 4 (I think he would, too, but was told a couple months back he had to play the 3) then yes. Luka/Richardson (or THJ)/DFS/OPJ/KP, in theory, should work on both sides of the ball. You bring either Richardson or THJ off the bench to replace DFS to go smaller. You bring Kleber off the bench to replace either OPJ or DFS to go a little bigger. OPJ, Kleber, DFS could all easily play with WCS when KP sits. I think it's worth a shot, and not a pipe dream as far as availability. If the plan is to get him and replace DFS with him in the starting lineup, I think I'm out.
(01-26-2021, 01:23 PM)omahen Wrote: Oladipo might be gettable.
Let's say Oladipo is everything his fans want him to be here. To me, the problem is this: I HATE his fit with Richardson. I agree that he's a better secondary creator than Richardson, but to me, that means Richardson becomes a fish out of water here. He just doesn't seem like a shooter to me, so far. This has nothing to do with his percentages, it's just my observation of what he seems to WANT to do on the court (in a very limited sample size).
Ideally, the Mavs need two perimeter creators and one big who can create a little. They at least need two of those three, for sure. Once those creators are in place, the team owes it to them to give them the best chance of succeeding by surrounding them with SHOOTERS. Space = success for ball-handlers. On offense, Luka/Oladipo/THJ makes sense to me, but Luka/Oladipo/Richardson does NOT. Don't get me wrong, this is just about synergy of skillsets, and not a player ranking. And, I actually have hope that Richardson can do SOME of what we hope Oladipo can do on offense with the ball in his hands, while simultaneously providing better defense, more consistently hard play and (most importantly) being available all the time.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - omahen - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 01:39 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If OPJ works as a 4
I am sure he does. He is a bit smallish for a PF at 6-8, but I think we can afford that with KP. He is definitely not 198 pounds as listed on Basketball reference, at least 30 pounds more. Plenty of options for starting line-up. Either THJ or DFS to the bench, depending if you need more offense or more defense.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 01:47 PM)omahen Wrote: I am sure he does. He is a bit smallish for a PF at 6-8, but I think we can afford that with KP.
I think so, too, but there are people here who make a compelling argument that throwing DFS out there in a similar role has been a disaster. For the record, I still think that Luka/Richardson/THJ/DFS/KP might be the best lineup the current team has, so I'm not convinced those people are correct...but, I respect their argument enough to be a little concerned. Still, I'd like to see it for 15 games, at least situationally.
So, if adding OPJ to that mix results in sending either THJ or Richardson to the bench, and NOT DFS, I think progress is being made. If you're left with the same problems, just with OPJ slightly ahead of DFS in the pecking order, I think it's wheel-spinning. In other words, if DFS/OPJ/KP can be your DEFAULT front court, I think you've got something. If your default front court is OPJ (or DFS)/Kleber (or Powell)/KP, then I'm not sure you've upgraded the team all that much.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 01:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think so, too, but there are people here who make a compelling argument that throwing DFS out there in a similar role has been a disaster. For the record, I still think that Luka/Richardson/THJ/DFS/KP might be the best lineup our current team has, so I'm not convinced those people are correct...but, I respect their argument enough to be a little concerned. Still, I'd like to see it for 15 games, at least situationally.
So, if adding OPJ to that mix results in sending either THJ or Richardson to the bench, and NOT DFS, I think progress is being made. If you're left with the same problems, just with OPJ slightly ahead of DFS in the pecking order, I think it's wheel-spinning. In other words, if DFS/OPJ/KP can be your DEFAULT front court, I think you've got something. If your default front court is OPJ (or DFS)/Kleber (or Powell)/KP, then I'm not sure you've upgraded the team all that much.
I mean...right now the Mavs are getting bullied in the paint with two 7ft guys at PF and C. KPs defense has been disappointing but he mentioned that he still lacks some quickness. I really need to see a lineup with Richardson, DFS and KP. Prior to the COVID cases and KPs return the Mavs played a completly different scheme on defense.
Mavs played a switch heavy, ball orientated defense for the first time and it looked great. Quick rotations, pressure on the ballhandler, hands in passing lanes and basically no uncontested shots. Not sure if that is possible with KP at center. He isn´t as mobile as Maxi or WCS.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 02:01 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I mean...right now the Mavs are getting bullied in the paint with two 7ft guys at PF and C. KPs defense has been disappointing but he mentioned that he still lacks some quickness. I really need to see a lineup with Richardson, DFS and KP. Prior to the COVID cases and KPs return the Mavs played a completly different scheme on defense.
Mavs played a switch heavy, ball orientated defense for the first time and it looked great. Quick rotations, pressure on the ballhandler, hands in passing lanes and basically no uncontested shots. Not sure if that is possible with KP at center. He isn´t as mobile as Maxi or WCS.
Sorry man, I understand all of these points individually, but don't get what Voltron point you're trying to make by combining them. Can you clarify?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 02:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sorry man, I understand all of these points individually, but don't get what Voltron point you're trying to make by combining them. Can you clarify?
More or less that right now I really don´t know what the Mavs need next to KP. I need to see how a heathly lineup with Richardson, DFS, KP and in a best case scenario Maxi plays before I can make any suggestions.
Right now the defense is a mess and KP certainly isn´t looking good as the sole big but I cannot judge it because the perimeter defense is terrible as well. Maybe he will look a lot better when the Mavs have some defenders on the floor that can stay in front of their matchup.
My biggest concern about KP himself is the lack of mobility. Looking at the pick and roll defense in the last few games the Mavs bigs are playing deep drop defense again. Earlier in the season they switched a lot more or played a hedge and recover scheme with Maxi and WCS. Did the coaches change the pick and roll defense because KP isn´t quick enough for the new scheme or is it more about the missing players?
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - KillerLeft - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 02:20 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: More or less that I really don´t know what the Mavs need next to KP right now. I need to see how a heathly lineup with Richardson, DFS, KP and in a best case scenario Maxi plays before I can make any suggestions.
Right now the defense is a mess and KP certainly isn´t looking good as the sole big but I cannot judge it because the perimeter defense is terrible as well. Maybe he will look a lot better when the Mavs have some defenders on the floor that can stay in front of their matchup.
My biggest concern about KP himself is the lack of mobility. Looking at the pick and roll defense in the last few games the Mavs bigs are playing deep drop defense again. Earlier in the season they switched a lot more or played a hedge and recover scheme with Maxi and WCS. Did the coaches change the pick and roll defense because KP isn´t quick enough for the new scheme or is it more about the missing players?
Gotcha, thanks.
Yeah, I hate the drop coverage, too. It has definitely contributed to a lot of the made 3's the Mavs have given up recently, and makes the guards work EXTREMELY hard on defense.
I sure hope KP's poor defensive play is temporary. Otherwise, the team is in a lot of trouble because they're basically married to him for a while. Poor play + major injury issues + max contract isn't a great recipe for movability.
RE: ROSTER TALK: Trade/FA Ideas (Mar 25 TDL) + Salary Chart - RDB - 01-26-2021
(01-26-2021, 12:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If I understand your exercise, you're asking which Mav we think needs to go, not necessarily who we think should be brought in...There is a diamond in the rough in Atlanta. I keep bring up his name and am going to ride that horse until my dreams are finally crushed.
If that's correct, then the answer has to be either Powell or WCS, imo. To me, what that top 9 is missing is a guy about Powell's size who can dribble, shoot, create, defend and rebound. A starting 4. I would also be willing to move Kleber for this player if the player is good enough, frankly.