(01-15-2021, 01:18 AM)KillerLeft Wrote:

(01-15-2021, 08:29 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: I would be surprised if the Spurs get much for DeRozan.  He's a UFA at the end of the year and they have no intention of signing him, so he's a depreciating asset for them.  He is going to want to test the 2021 FA Market that is high on cap space demand and low on talent supply, so he only appeals as a short term rental for a contender.  He's also on a huge contract number that is hard to match salaries with, especially for contenders who don't want to give up their high end talent.  That's going to narrow down the pool of suitors significantly.    He also plays a style of ball that isn't en vogue in the league right now, so that might suppress demand down a bit too.   

That said, I do like DeRozan a lot for the Mavs though as a 2nd playmaker with Luka.  One thing I like to look at in scorers and bucket getters is Usage to AST% together as an indicator of how much you can let an offense run through a player without him ball hogging.    DeRozan has been been a high usage player, though that has declined with age,  but he's also had a high  AST%.    You can pair that guy up with Luka without much disruption to your offense.    This year DeRozan has 23% Usage with 30.6 AST%.    He's involved in a lot of plays, but he gets others involved too.  In comparison Buddy Hield right now has 27.2% Usage and a 15.5% AST%.  When Buddy gets the ball, Buddy is jacking it.

(01-15-2021, 09:22 AM)omahen Wrote: Exactly my thoughts, but I can't write them down with so many arguments. I see an opportunity to trade Powell in this kind of trade, as you need salary to match 28 million of DeRozan. It will be interesting to see if Powell remains as top 4 big or falls out of rotation behind KP, WCS, Kleber and JJ. If he does, it makes absolutely no sense to keep him, unless he is really, really, really, really indispensable for the locker room. If I assume Johnson+Powell+Brunson+1FRP trade, spots 1-3 would be occupied by Luka, THJ, JRich, DeRozan and DFS. Burke and Green as deep bench. 4-5 rotation would be KP, WCS, Kleber with DFS or Luka spot minutes.

(01-15-2021, 09:45 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: I think the problem might be that he is really really really really impossible to trade. We gave up two 2nd round picks to get rid of Wright, who has more legs and less years. The only way to get rid of Powell is to salary match a long-term deal like Love, Blake or Westbrook, if you are into injury-prone or/and washed-up performers on big deals.

(01-14-2021, 09:42 PM)omahen Wrote: Looking just at the offensive side, DeRozan would be an excellent secondary facilitator. I wonder what his price would be at TDL

(01-15-2021, 10:02 AM)omahen Wrote: I would say that at this point Powell has a very similar negative value as Wright contract. Wright had 2 seasons left on his deal, Powell will have 2.5 at TDL. He is only one year older than Wright, basically same age. 

From San Antonio perspective - can they hope to get a deal Indy got for Oladipo? Similar value player on a longer contract? Kind of doubt it. It also doesn't really make sense that a non contender trades for half a year rental of DeRozan. So their options are limited to contenders. Which of them has 28 mil of salary to match that is better than Powell? Is Gary Harris type of contract so much better value for a rebuilding team San Antonio has to become at one point? 

In my idea, they would get a young player and FRP for half a year rental and additional two years of Powell. I think it is borderline fair value. Throw in a second of two if you think they need more.

(01-15-2021, 10:19 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I don´t think the Mavs will trade for a defensive liability like DeRozan. Everything they did over the last couple of month suggests that they are all in on a more defensive minded approach.

(01-15-2021, 10:20 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: They got all the defense they need. Now they need another offensive impact player imho.

(01-15-2021, 11:09 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: They need two-way impact.

(01-15-2021, 10:19 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I don´t think the Mavs will trade for a defensive liability like DeRozan. Everything they did over the last couple of month suggests that they are all in on a more defensive minded approach.

(01-15-2021, 12:38 PM)omahen Wrote: I am not much of an advanced stats guy but quick glance doesn't say DeRozan is a liability on defense. On the other hand, he is a huge positive on offense. Perhaps we should revisit this conversation at TDL. I predict it will become obvious by then that Mavs desperately need another creator. Once the intense season starts taking a toll on Luka. He basically played just offense last season and he was exhausted by all stars. Mavs didn't do anything to reduce his load on offense and now he is even asked to lead on defense. And he "allegedly" came in fat and unprepared. 

I am not saying DeRozan is the best option out there. But he is certainly one that could be available and obtainable with Mavs assets. If he is prepared to buy into 3rd banana or even 6th man role, he would be a great addition to the squad imho

(01-15-2021, 12:38 PM)omahen Wrote: I am not much of an advanced stats guy but quick glance doesn't say DeRozan is a liability on defense.

(01-15-2021, 02:23 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Defensive on/off:

16/17: +5.7
17/18: +5.8
18/19: +2.2
19/20: +5.9
20/21: +18.4 (small sample size...with DeRozan on the floor they rank 29th in D-Rating, without him 1st...obviously not as easy because DeRozan plays vs starters but it shows how much worse they are)

Not a single season in his entire career where the defense wasn´t worse with him on the floor.

DRPM:

16/17: -0.38
17/18: -1.52
18/19: +0.65 (that´s exactly where THJ ranked last season)
19/20: -1.68

Overall he ranks somewhere between all time bad (Trae Young, Isaiah Thomas) and below average (Seth Curry, JJB). Not really the kind of player I want to see in a featured role on a team with the 2nd best D-Rating and best DFG% in the league.

(01-15-2021, 04:13 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: NBA.com Def RTG rates Trae Young as a top 50 defensive player this season way ahead of Josh Richardson.

(01-15-2021, 04:13 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Also if we don´t want DeRozan due to his defensive rating, does that mean we have to can Maxi, too? His offensive ratings are just as bad, -0.63 ORPM while playing on the greatest offense in NBA history in 2019/2020.

(01-15-2021, 04:13 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: I miss the days of simple logic that if you are the 2nd best defensive team and 21st best offensive team, that you need to add some offensive talent. Of course I wouldn´t mind to get a 25/5/5 player, who is also playing elite defense. Are PG 13/Kawhi or Brown/Tatum available?

(01-15-2021, 04:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Trae Young had the worst DRPM of the last few years in his first two seasons. As I mentioned in the post above. The sample size is still really small and Richardson ranks among the worst Mavs in overall net rating so far. Mavs are -11.4 with him on the floor. Only one worse is Powell at -12.3. Richardson played a lot of minutes in the bad games early in the season and was out during the recent winning streak




Roles and expectations? Maxi is a spot up shooter on offense. Nothing more nothing less. So far he has the single best offensive rating on the team because of his hot shooting start. Maxi is also way cheaper and doesn´t expect starter money and minutes.



I am waiting for the days where people finally move on from the medieval way to look at counting stats and start to look at synergy, lineups and tracking data.
You don´t have to agree with everything the numbers are telling you but there is no way to deny that DeRozan has been a bad defender for his entire career. Inserting him into the lineup is the best way to turn the 2nd best defensive into an average one.
Not to mention that I am not even sure if he would help on offense.

(01-15-2021, 07:31 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Do you have any scientific data to back this up? So in the end you are just guessing after crunching all the numbers. I don´t need to do that to know we´d lose some on defense and gain some on offense with DeRozan, but until it plays out nobody knows whether we´d be a worse or better team overall.