(07-20-2021, 12:36 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Much of the Mavs universe could be dropped into two categories:

1) "Don't blame Carlisle."

2) "It's Carlisle's fault."

(07-20-2021, 01:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: EVERYONE deserves blame, but the people who blame Carlisle for too much point out his power over certain players and situations, failing to recognize that there were people with power over him. In crucial ways, he was just a part of the system, similar (but different) to guys like Green, for example. I said it on draft night: drafting Green and the rest of those rookies, to me, signified that the team was committed to build slowly and develop a team of young players. I never thought for even one second that any of them was ready to play last year (still don't think they were). If the entire success or failure of the regime was to be judged by last season's performance, then they SHOULD have traded that pick - they SHOULD have gotten a Gallo or a Crowder, somehow. 

I expect all four of those young guys to be significantly improved and more ready this year, specifically BECAUSE of how Carlisle approached their seasons. Maybe not Terry, because of his personal problems keeping him away from the team for so long, and maybe slightly less so for all because of the Covid year craziness, but I think they were "developed" as much as possible, given the circumstances, especially the one where the team had to make the playoffs. 

The direction at the TOP of the organization is what makes the least sense, to me, especially in hindsight. And, through my life, I have continuously learned one lesson, over and over: when it comes to team-like organizations like this, the only way to affect change is at the TOP. 

Changing to Nico Harrison is the TOP-most change we can expect in the near future, unless Cuban really decides to run for president, which I don't think will happen. So, there is reason for cautious optimism, imo, as long as Harrison is as qualified as we hope. 

Totally ok with Carlisle being gone now, especially in the wake of these sweeping changes. I'm not super inspired by the organization's decision to replace him with Kidd, but I'm willing to give him a chance.

(07-20-2021, 01:05 PM)Kammrath Wrote: "Don't blame Carlisle."

(07-20-2021, 01:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Correct, at least not to the ridiculous point you do. 

(07-20-2021, 01:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's telling to me that you always type Donnie/RC, as if they're one person. To me, the GM is (or should be) THE guy, not the coach. But here, Donnie has always been so milk-toast and, at times, invisible, that one is forced to latch onto either Cuban or Carlisle as a target. 

That, imo, is a problem, and probably THE problem, if there is a "the" problem.

(07-20-2021, 01:05 PM)cow Wrote: Kidd might be an upgrade from Carlisle from a player development standpoint.  Carlisle was way too hit or miss for who he liked and who ended up in his dog house.

(07-20-2021, 11:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think this is one of the better plans I've seen so far. Not sexy, and it will piss people off, but I'd like it soooo much better than anything that results in someone like Dinwiddie here on a fat contract.

(07-20-2021, 01:13 PM)Kammrath Wrote: It is hard for me to distinguish WHERE Donnie had power versus RC. That's why I do it. 

(07-20-2021, 01:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I think that is more about us focusing on the Mavs. Kidd was beloved by Giannis but the rest of the team wasn´t as high on him. Just need to ask Malcolm Brogdon about Kidd.

(07-20-2021, 01:19 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Maybe Kamm should try the whole balance and reason approach that he mentioned in the Cuban discussion and apply it to his RC takes.

(07-20-2021, 12:09 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Dan, I love your postings generally speaking, but please don't try to talk me into being happy about the Mavs getting Oubre.

(07-20-2021, 01:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Even if you think Carlisle WAS running the organization, which I don't, that is, to me, just a sign that the people who SHOULD have been doing it weren't up to it. 

(07-20-2021, 12:44 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I’m firmly in the blame Donnie camp, but there is plenty of blame to go around! Starts with Donnie for me though, as he’s been the problem for over 12 years.

(07-20-2021, 01:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: I'm firmly in the blame Cuban camp.  Don't think plan powder was Donnie's idea, and that is the primary force that has generated so many bad decisions (Giannis being the biggest).  I don't consider Donnie a great GM by any stretch, but he did have a really good eye for European talent, and he was responsible/involved in the three biggest moves in franchise history (Dirk, Giannis (oops, plan powder!), Luka).

(07-20-2021, 11:53 AM)omahen Wrote: OPJ certainly fits the description but I don't see Orlando taking JRich in a SnT. I would be certainly intrigued by DJJ as a back up wing, but again I doubt Portland would really need JRich, even if they move McCollum (tax). Than you are down to Batum, Tucker, Craig and similar. I doubt any of them is worth full MLE.

(07-20-2021, 01:26 PM)cow Wrote: Don't kill my hope.  lol

Kidd is downgrade over Carlisle for sure, but Carlisle was a prickly pear when it came to rookies, trades or other acquisitions.

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I would have no issues spending the MLE on Batum.  He would be a perfect short term solution at the 4, but we can't S&T him for JRich because Clips don't have bird rights.  Not sure I would spend even the MLE on OPJ.  Good chance he is permanently broken.

(07-20-2021, 12:36 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/NickVanExit/status/1417536783357784064

Much of the Mavs universe could be dropped into two categories:

1) "Don't blame Carlisle."

2) "It's Carlisle's fault."