(07-12-2021, 11:45 AM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: Dinwiddie

I am NOT a fan....but I am more of a fan than DeRozan. Just want nothing to do with DDR. 

I can talk myself into Dinwiddie if I have to....DDR, not so much.

(07-12-2021, 12:13 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: My off-season hopes at this point are basically 

Plan A: Find some way to get Brogdon here and worry about everything else afterward.

Plan B: Trade KP for Murray or White, thus clearing more cap, barter off JRich's sorry butt, let THJ walk, trade Brunson for Robinson, and then give four NBA (semi-) Finals contract year hos more than their current teams can: Portis, Payne, Reggie, and Tucker. Use the rMLE to sign the best center available. Do you have any stars next to Luka? No, but you have three guys besides Luka in Murray/White, Reggie, and Payne who can create to some extent, plus a reasonable amount of playoff toughness added.

(07-12-2021, 12:25 PM)mvossman Wrote: You should probably prepare yourself for disappointment.

(07-12-2021, 12:35 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Hell to the absolute no to any offseason which retains KP or acquires Oubre. Hell to the no to any offseason involving DDR (I'm off that bandwagon again after Kamm's cautions) or Lowry (too old and in clear decline). No to Dinwiddie. Lots of other possibilities like Collins or Conley could work. There's just a sense that Collins requires you to spend big assets without a way also to add a good shot creator next to Luka, while Conley is expensive and solves few other roster problems.

(07-12-2021, 12:35 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Hell to the absolute no to any offseason which retains KP or acquires Oubre. Hell to the no to any offseason involving DDR (I'm off that bandwagon again after Kamm's cautions) or Lowry (too old and in clear decline. No to Dinwiddie. Lots of other possibilities like Collins or Conley could work. There's just a sense that Collins requires you to spend big assets without a way also to add a good shot creator next to Luka, while Conley is expensive and solves few other roster problems.

(07-12-2021, 12:53 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Luka
Norm Powell
Gordon Hayward
John Collins
Mitchell Robinson

(07-12-2021, 12:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: That's a lot of changes....but I would be on board with this or even something approximating it. A Collins/Robinson front court would be incredible with Luka.

(07-12-2021, 12:53 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: - Immediately sign Norm Powell (Or Dinwiddie IMO)  4yrs 80 Mill. 17.5 year 1 salary
- Trade Brunson & D Powell for Mitchell Robinson
- Trade KP for Hayward (maybe could get more from CHA?)
- Max out John Collins. (27.5 Yr 1 salary) and do the S&T with Maxi to ATL

Luka
Norm Powell
Gordon Hayward
John Collins
Mitchell Robinson

This is the type of roster overhaul I hope we see (and probably wont). Actually possible without even having to offload J-Rich even though they likely want to. 

The key to any KP trade is they need to have a frontcourt plan before pulling the trigger. Luka needs a rim protector/roll man type and with that the 4 needs to be able to shoot/score. This 5 man unit is very similar to what ATL had this year (expect way better because of Luka).

(07-12-2021, 01:52 PM)mvossman Wrote: Lets go down that list:

Portland traded for Powell at the deadline and have no way to replace him if he walks.  I'm not sure there is any amount Portland wont match to keep him (and not further piss off Dame) but if there is a number they will balk at, it will be higher than starting at 17.5.

TRUE. Replace with Dinwiddie or resign THJ in the same spot.

Not sure either the Nicks or the Mavs want to do a Brunson for Robinson deal.  Mavs are very likely in win now mode.  Not sure they want to take a project on as center (and it makes no sense unless they manage to dump KP).  Don't know why the Nicks would want to take on Powell?

Knicks had reported to be "monitoring" Brunson I believe. Like anything its unlikely, but view each guy as a similar value and similar contract status. So a need for need trade is possible IMO.

I would love a KP/Hayward trade.  No idea if Charlotte is interested?  No idea if Mavs are interested?  This is probably my favorite reasonable dump KP route, but have no idea if anybody has even approached this.

It seems plausible but your correct we have no reason to believe it will happen other than the random report that CHA would be "very interested" in KP from a month ago.

I think the odds of Collins leaving Atlanta went down considerably after the playoff run.  I think they are going to want significant assets if they do let him go and Maxi is probably not enough.

Comments from ATL owner lead me to believe otherwise. A max for Collins and hes gone IMO. If they want more assets (protected 2025 1st, Green, etc) Id part with them to get Collins.

I don't think any of these has a 50% of happening and most of them are approaching zero.  The chance of all of them happening is astronomically low.

Of course true.

I think a lot of people are setting themselves up for disappointment this offseason.  If anything, the new regime is less experienced/capable of pulling off trades than the old one.  I feel like the Nico pick was specifically to attract free agents.  My guess is the big move they make this offseason is DeRozan or Conley.  My guess is there would be a lot of disappointment/hate with the first and tolerance/hope with the later.

I agree, my biggest concern with NICO/Fin combo is the ability to complete trades and work the cap from the jump these first couple years.

As for getting off KP, it may very well be that the best option to get off KP is Wiggins straight up (no picks).  Would you pull that trigger?

100% yes. Trade a flawed big for a flawed wing every day of the week. Not even considering injury concerns.

(07-12-2021, 02:17 PM)cow Wrote: Knicks had reported to be "monitoring" Brunson I believe. Like anything its unlikely, but view each guy as a similar value and similar contract status. So a need for need trade is possible IMO.

I'd say JB has more value now.  He's the better player.  MR has more upside but hasn't put it all together yet and has had some injury problems. 

I don't hate the idea of that swap conceptually, but I'm not sure you are getting equal value.  I'd rather trade JB to the Knicks for one of our owed picks, preferably 2023 so that after this years draft, we have our full compliment of FRPs moving forward.

(07-12-2021, 04:05 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Wonder if we could get both? maybe we'd have throw in something else. Either way, I think its in our best interest to move Brunson for a wing or big this offseason.

(07-12-2021, 02:04 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: As for getting off KP, it may very well be that the best option to get off KP is Wiggins straight up (no picks).  Would you pull that trigger?

100% yes. Trade a flawed big for a flawed wing every day of the week. Not even considering injury concerns.

(07-12-2021, 04:08 PM)cow Wrote: I think that flip flops the trade value in that NY would be giving up too much.

(07-12-2021, 04:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 100% with you that KP for Wiggins straight is something I would probably do. But I would TRY very hard to get a pick.