(07-08-2021, 11:34 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Bertrans+Bryant+Avdija

(07-08-2021, 09:03 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Agreed here. LegionHoops has been right about a few things over the past couple years. I think it’s likely he has contacts within the league, but always seems much more willing to throw out everything he hears out there as a “report” 

(07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: So....

1) A 34 year old who will likely play half the regular season games and when he does play will be under 30 mins a game, and you just hope he is healthy for the playoffs....

(07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 2) A 26 year old journeyman who hasn't stuck anywhere and will have been on his 4th team since 2019 and has consistently been a net negative for his teams and shoots a career 43% FG and 32% 3P....

(07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 3) A 26 year old oft-injured big man who lost his ability to play effective D and in the playoffs was so ineffective offensively that he stood in the corner as a "decoy"....


If this is the off season....I will probably have to eat crow and admit that Cuban is indeed a lost cause and won't listen to reason.


P.S. Just the idea of trading the team's most important floor spacer (THJ) for a guy who shoots 32% from three and STILL cannot play good team D is just infuriating beyond reason.

(07-08-2021, 11:03 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Conley and Oubre, unless something changes in a major way. KP is back.

(07-08-2021, 11:48 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I will not get off KP island until he's traded. I think the dude is going to show up next year as a guy who wants to rebrand his image. The one thing KP hates the most is bad press.

(07-08-2021, 11:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Well tight lipped is NOT working because if the plan you laid out is true, then ALL of them have been publicly connected to the Mavs....

1) Kawhi....check.

2) Conley...check.

3) Oubre...check.

Total fail of "tight-lipped."

(07-08-2021, 11:49 PM)Tyler Wrote: Just so I'm interpreting your posts correctly, you're predicting Conley and Oubre coming in and THJ/Maxi/JRich going out? Gloriously right or spectacularly wrong, it'll be fun to reference in a few weeks.

(07-09-2021, 12:00 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Not predicting. Just the leading framework from what I was told as of July 7th/8th.

(07-08-2021, 11:22 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Will be interesting to hear Nico speak next week, I don’t even know what the guy sounds like.

(07-08-2021, 11:59 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: KP will be back to the AAC next year - whether that's once, or rather twice, a year remains to be seen.

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You remember VP from the old board, right? He's pulling your leg.

(07-08-2021, 11:33 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: I love the idea of a Conley + Norm Powell offseason. I'd be over the moon with that. I'd love to trade KP too if we can get good value. Conley gives us a playmaker and Powell is a good switchable wing that would be a more reliable 3rd scorer than THJ. I'm totally out on Oubre. Give me Powell.

(07-08-2021, 08:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The opportunity to spend a poop-ton of money and the opportunity to run a more aggressive switching D are the things that most excite me when I'm on a Trade-KP day.  I'm not sure I want a pure space deal.  The reason is if you don't get any kind of returning asset, here is your team:

Luka/Brunson
       /Green
DFS/
      /Maxi
      /Powell

You need three starters and a bench player who can create their own shot.  I can make it work with $65mm to spend, but everything has to fall into place.  Need a center, so $18mm for Holmes.  Need a star, so pencil in $25mm-$28mm.  That leaves $19mm-$22mm.  You can maybe get another high level starter or bring back THJ, but you need another high level bench guy who is your sixth man and slots all the rest of the bench guys in their proper role.  It would be hard to do both for that money.

The point I'm making is I'd like something I can use back even in a pure salary dump.  It could be as little as PJ Washington.  At least you've filled a slot cheaply and still have almost a poop-ton of space left.  If you end up having to trade match, I'd like to increase cap space by the legal limit (so now you have about $40mm to get Holmes and a $22mm guy).  But, I probably need two useful players back in a deal...that fifth starter and that sixth man.  If I knew all the guys I want would just come because I wish it to be so, then great.  But there are 29 other teams looking for the same things I'm looking for.

(07-09-2021, 12:10 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: You questioning my relationship with Haralabob?

(07-09-2021, 12:19 AM)mvossman Wrote: That would be a great offseason, but those two are over 40 mil in cap and we will have max 34 without dumping some players.

(07-09-2021, 01:13 AM)sefant Wrote: Losing Kleber will certainly be the next Curry move. Rather try to get rid of Powell.

Unless you can get Collins on top of Conley.

(07-09-2021, 02:59 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think anyone is advocating giving up Kleber in just any deal. I would only give up Kleber if I knew I could replace him with a John Collins kind of guy. 

I'd be all for trading Powell, but I don't see a team willingly picking him up without at least a FRP attached to him, unless Nico is a master negotiator.

I think we got to view this offseason as turning starter THJ into a more talented/better fitting player (I.E Conley, Lowry, DeRozan). And also adding more depth at the wing/PF position with someone that can create his own shot (i.e Kawhi, John Collins, Oubre).

Another name I don't seen thrown around a lot: Nemanja Bjelicia.  A little older, but can hit the 3 very well and his best asset is being able to create. I can see him as a worse Joe Ingles for the Mavs. Would be a solid Kleber replacement too.

(07-08-2021, 11:14 PM)Kammrath Wrote: P.S. Just the idea of trading the team's most important floor spacer (THJ) for a guy who shoots 32% from three and STILL cannot play good team D is just infuriating beyond reason.

(07-08-2021, 07:32 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Back to on/off for a moment.  His numbers last year were just crazy.  The lineups that worked, really worked and the lineups that sucked, really sucked.  I wonder how much of a factor Wiseman was in that.  Wiseman was a -14.6 in his minutes.  Oubre's most used lineup included Wiseman and was negative (Curry, Green and Wiggins were also part of that lineup).  The next two most used lineups were nicely positive (7.3 and 10.9) and don't include Wiseman. 

Even superstar Curry was -9.2 any time he was on the floor with Wiseman last season. 

Wiggins was positive every year in Minnesota (surprisingly), but has been negative since joining GS. 

Draymond was 9.6 overall last season.  But, he was -9.8 when paired with Wiseman last season. 

Wiseman was bone-crushingly bad last season and destroyed everyone's numbers whenever he was on the court. 

(07-09-2021, 06:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Actually Conley shot .412 from three last season.  That is who you are giving up THJ for.  There is way too much focus here on S&T deals that just aren’t going to happen.  If there is a comparison to be made it is replacing JRich (.330 from three, 114 D-Rating and -4.7 Net) with Oubre.

(07-09-2021, 07:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I realize I’m snatching at small sample size straws here (or maybe I found a nugget that further proves Wiseman was a huge factor in hurting Oubre’s GS numbers  ).

Wiseman missed the month of February.  That happened to be Oubre’s best month by far.  In 15 games he scored 20 a night with 6.4 boards and was +1.5.  His O/D Ratings were 114/110.  He had a .604 TS% for the month and shot .425 from three on 5.7 attempts per night.