(07-08-2021, 07:31 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Conley/Oubre is such a bad idea, they might as well bring Donnie Nelson back, if that is their idea of change.

What position is Oubre playing here?

If Conley comes with him, that means Oubre plays SF. The contract-size demands Oubre starts, which means Dorian goes to the bench in his contract year. LOL. I can tell you exactly how that ends. With Dorian leaving/being traded, because you disrespected him and f**** with his future earnings.

One of the two positions we don´t have a problem, we go after Kelly Oubre (of all people) to create a problem. Makes no sense whatsoever.

(07-08-2021, 06:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Keep him to always have two playmakers on the floor.  Whatever system we run will be centered around taking advantage of Luka/Conley together.  If it is good to have that starting combo attacking from all over the floor, I would think you'd want to run the same two playmaker scheme against backups.   If VP has this right, I see:

Three scoring playmakers:  Luka, Conley and Brunson
Three wing defenders:  DFS, Oubre, Green
Three bigs:  KP, Maxi, Powell

That's nine and you haven't spent the rMLE yet.  I'm not a believer in all of this talk of trading Kleber to Utah for a guy you can sign outright.  He's needed in this arrangement and there isn't a good way to replace him if you send him out. You have your Big 3 in Luka, Conley and KP.  I assume DFS will start at either the three or the four.  From there you can add Maxi for one kind of look or Oubre for another.  It will be interesting how they mix and match the lineups when Luka sits or when KP sits.

The improvement comes from Conley vs. THJ.  He is your Chris Paul.  He has the same shooting off the ball that THJ has but adds better playmaking and D.  The marginal difference is huge (and stealing him cripples a competitor).  Oubre, if it happens, is the Crowder move.  I think it will cost more than the MLE as Crowder has never averaged 18 a night.

(07-08-2021, 08:33 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: So I play this roster 12 months foward and our pay-roll looks like this:

Luka 40
Porzingis 32
Conley 27
Oubre 17
DFS 13
Powell 11
Maxi 10
Brunson 10
Green 4

$164M pay-roll for nine players with ONE All-Star, one All-NBA team player, no All-NBA defensive player.

(07-08-2021, 10:14 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Just curious if Porter is still intriguing as a Mavs target.

(07-08-2021, 10:50 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: https://twitter.com/legionhoopsross/status/1413161949425291268?s=21

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(07-08-2021, 10:50 AM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: https://twitter.com/legionhoopsross/status/1413161949425291268?s=21

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(07-08-2021, 08:26 AM)Branduil Wrote: If they could do the THJ+Burke for Conley trade, they could also do Maxi+JRich+Brunson for Collins.

(07-08-2021, 08:26 AM)Branduil Wrote: Now, in that case I could maybe see the value of Oubre as a bench scorer, if you can get him for the MLE. Add some cheap vet PG with the BAE like Avery Bradley or George Hill and you've got a nice team going.

(07-08-2021, 12:43 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: The Jazz are about 6 mil away from the tax before they sign Conley, meaning any SnT for THJ trade will certainly put them in the tax. If they're trying to avoid it, then why wouldn't they just put all their power into resigning Conley?

(07-08-2021, 12:43 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I actually see Oubre as a potential starter. Even with all of his issues he can still put up buckets. The one constant theme in his career is that he's never been surrounded by elite talent (also despite putting up numbers his team losing). The closest he's ever been was GSW but that's been the Warriors weakest team since 2011.

Say the Mavs pull off the unthinkable and get Conley+Collins. Oubre would be slotting next to Luka/Conley/Collins/KP. 1 All world player and 3 fringe all-star level guys. That's a boatload of talent. I can see him shining in a situation like that where he's the 5th option. DFS could be a super sub for any one 1 those guys too if defense is needed. Mavs could try and sign some vet min ring chasers on value contracts like Dragic/Boban/Batum and you're rocking with

Luka/Dragic
Conley/JGreen
Oubre/Batum
Collins/DFS
KP/Powell/Boban

That's a lethal team.

(07-08-2021, 12:43 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: The Jazz are about 6 mil away from the tax before they sign Conley, meaning any SnT for THJ trade will certainly put them in the tax. If they're trying to avoid it, then why wouldn't they just put all their power into resigning Conley?

If Conley wants to leave 100% no matter what and wants to come to Dallas AND the Jazz don't care about the tax, then I can see them wanting THJ in a SnT.


 

I actually see Oubre as a potential starter. Even with all of his issues he can still put up buckets. The one constant theme in his career is that he's never been surrounded by elite talent (also despite putting up numbers his team losing). The closest he's ever been was GSW but that's been the Warriors weakest team since 2011.

(07-08-2021, 02:39 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Well if Curry, Draymond, Booker, Ayton, Beal and Wall are not elite talent, besides tons of solid professionals like Rubio, Wiggins, Gortat, Satoransky, Porter, Saric, Portis... then I´m not sure what you think he´ll find in Dallas.

(07-08-2021, 11:44 AM)omahen Wrote: I thought it was buy low sell high, not the other way around...

(07-08-2021, 01:47 PM)mvossman Wrote: That would be a lethal team.  But unless I am missing something, you have over 60 mil of salary coming in with 10 going out.  That means you are nearly 20 mil over the cap.  Also, guys like Dragic and Batum are probably getting close to MLE money and you don't have one of those (let alone two).

Its hard to see how you could land both Collins and Conley.  They are at least 50 mil coming in.  You are sending out Maxi and maybe Brunson to get Collins.  You would still need to dump at least 6 mil.  Maybe you could dump Powell for cheap?

If you can get Atlanta to take JRich/Maxi/Brunson for Collins and then do a three team deal with THJ for Conley you could do it (but getting both to happen seems slim).  In that case you would have the MLE, which is good because you traded away your bench.  That would give you a starting lineup of KP/Collins/DFS/Luka/Conley and a bench of Powell/Green/Burke and some exceptions.