(07-07-2021, 04:46 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Kleber and Brunson make a sense for ATL in a SnT. Kleber could play the Collins role cheaper and they are reportedly looking for a backup PG. Should be a solid base for SnT negotiations.

If you’re convinced he’s the guy then I guess you have to try. I really don’t know about him.

(07-07-2021, 04:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: That seems steep.  Especially when you are overpaying with the max. 

(07-07-2021, 04:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: That seems steep.  Especially when you are overpaying with the max.  Not sure I would do that.

(07-07-2021, 05:12 PM)omahen Wrote: Agree. I would do it if their would be a way to still sign the Conley type. If JRich opts out we have 34 mil of cap space. Add Kleber to Collins SnT and we are up to 42 mil. If Collins signs for 25 there is 17 left. Probably light. Dump Burke and we are at 20. Could be enough

(07-07-2021, 03:43 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: Thinks Collins signs a max offer sheet with the Spurs

(07-07-2021, 03:43 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: There is apparently a lot of momentum in the building towards a Conley + Oubre free agency, after the inevitable Kawhi strikeout. Utah is thirsty for some perimeter defenders and J-Rich + Kleber for Conley fits (Utah expects to let Niang walk as well). It will not be $20M per for Oubre.

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Pretty good source told me..

Plan A Kawhi (they’re trying but unlikely)
Plan B Conley & Oubre (Conley has a lot of fans, especially Dirk; Luka and Oubre know each other from BDA, Nico has a relationship from Nike)

(07-07-2021, 06:54 PM)Tyler Wrote: Interesting. 


A few thoughts:

- Conley seems like a prime candidate for our big FA acquisition. He fits both a need (veteran secondary playmaker who also plays defense) and a pattern (previous big-name Mavs FA target where they finish 2nd but land him later after the contract ages). So I can totally see it.

- If operating over the cap, JRich+Maxi can get Conley to $25mm in the first year. Which seems right. So taking your trade suggestion at face value, that makes me want to make other moves first to maximize the use of our cap space.

- If Dallas lets THJ go, that leaves about $20mm in cap space. Interestingly, this is exactly what Oubre is rumored to want. So maybe there really is something going on there where Oubre's agent is publicly signaling his client's FA preference. 

- I don't think Oubre is worth $20mm. And I also don't think he's worth losing THJ for. 


So I can believe that something is going on with those two guys. But for it to make the most sense to me, one of two things would push it over the top:

1. Split the $20mm between Oubre and another player before trading for Conley. Oubre and that other player would need to be more valuable than THJ + a MLE free agent. For example, (and knowing that Maxi is traded) dividing that money between Oubre and Markkanen could be interesting. Having both on deals just over the MLE could be good options for them and good values for Dallas. Maybe they also let WCS go to free up a few more million to seal the deal.

2. Operate over the cap. Keep THJ, sign Oubre to the MLE, and trade for Conley.

Surveying the FA options, I think either outcome could be a pretty effective offseason. The most important thing is to just add talent.

(07-07-2021, 08:38 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I guess I picked a good day to initiate the “Kelly Oubre Jr. Day” conversation.  

(07-06-2021, 11:16 PM)F Gump Wrote: While I tend to generally agree with your thinking that KP is very underrated in this forum, I am certain you are failing to properly recognize the value of DDR. I suspect you overlook the fact that he has a crucial skill that is hard to find (because you fail to mention it at all, in your analysis), yet he has it to a significant degree, and it can make a big difference.

That hard-to-find skill? He is able to create offense. A lot of it. For himself, and for others. (And if you want to compare, KP creates very little.) He doesn't need some player to set him up to get off a good shot, and instead is the one who can do that for himself and others.

In addition, while DDR isn't an elite shooter from 3, he is nevertheless a very efficient scorer. His TS% is 59% which is very good for any non-big player.

He has issues on D, that's true. But he sure does have an impact on the other end. If you don't see that, you're missing the picture.

(07-06-2021, 11:49 PM)cow Wrote: People undervalue DDR because stat heads decided dunks and threes are the NBA.  CP3 and Booker take a lot of mid range jumpers.  Booker doesn't play a lot of defense.  Look at who is in the finals.  

That's not me endorsing the Mavs chasing DDR and I'm not disrespecting analytics, but they should be used a tool in the toolbox and not the end all, be all.

(07-07-2021, 09:44 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1412812362336325632?s=19

(07-07-2021, 04:46 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Kleber and Brunson make a sense for ATL in a SnT. Kleber could play the Collins role cheaper and they are reportedly looking for a backup PG. Should be a solid base for SnT negotiations.

(07-07-2021, 09:58 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I would SO much rather spend $20M on Ball than Oubre.

(07-07-2021, 11:58 PM)Tyler Wrote: If Collins wants Dallas, I'm not sure it will take that much.

By my calculations, if you assume Dallas lets THJ and WCS go then they'll have about $23.4mm in cap space. Let's say they want in on Collins at his $28mm max. The easy way is for JRich to decline his option and become a FA. But that's out of the team's control, so let's try the hard way.

There was that rumor at the trade deadline that Dallas offered Atlanta Maxi for Collins. Atlanta declined at the time, as that deal wasn't good enough for them during the season. Fair enough. But now things are more complicated in terms of money.

To me, the play is easy. Maxi is a pretty good role player on a reasonable contract who would be super easy to gift to any team with cap space or a TPE for nothing but a pick in return. Do that, and Dallas could sign Collins to max offer sheet. So Nico's call to Atlanta is pretty simple -- "Do you want Maxi or not? Because we're trading him and offering Collins a max deal regardless. Your choice."

Worst case is that they decline the trade, milk the waiting period, and leave Dallas hanging on other FAs they like before matching. But there's already enough smoke around the ownership hedging their bets about retaining Collins that I'm not sure they'd go that route. So it's certainly not without risk, but it's also something that I think could be negotiated ahead of time via the agent (Schwartz) with a pretty high degree of confidence of what Atlanta plans to do with his client.

It will be really interesting to see which teams Collins shows the most mutual interest in outside of Atlanta. Knowing how this business works, I suspect we'll start seeing some rumors leak soon enough. If it's Dallas, I think they have a real shot.

(07-07-2021, 11:58 PM)Tyler Wrote: There was that rumor at the trade deadline that Dallas offered Atlanta Maxi for Collins. Atlanta declined at the time, as that deal wasn't good enough for them during the season. Fair enough. But now things are more complicated in terms of money.

(07-08-2021, 12:02 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: $20 mil is Ball's Chicago price. For Dallas, it's likely far closer to $25 mil.

(07-08-2021, 12:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: What kind of logic is that?

CHI finished 11th in a top heavy east. Mavs finished 5th in a loaded west. If Ball wants to win the choice is easy.